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Re: Release Candidate of the PostgreSQL Europe association statutes

From: Cédric Villemain <cedric(dot)villemain(at)dalibo(dot)com>
To: damien(at)dalibo(dot)info
Cc: pgeu-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Release Candidate of the PostgreSQL Europe association statutes
Date: 2008-01-14 10:30:56
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damien clochard a écrit :
> Le Sunday 13 January 2008 23:14:30 Gabriele Bartolini, vous avez écrit :
>> Ciao Dave,
>> Dave Page ha scritto:
>>> Yes!! That's almost exactly what I just wrote to Andreas :-)
>> ;)
>>> If others are in agreement, can the rules be reworked to allow for this?
>> I don't know if it is worth writing it in the statute. I am asking the
>> French guys to confirm this. In Italy, you try and define the main goals
>> and the management issues in the statute. The more practical and
>> operative issues are left in an external document, which can be flexibly
>> (but democratically) changed.
> Exactly.
>> This is because a change in the statute comes at a price: you need to
>> deposit again to the official authorities and pay taxes. Maybe if France
>> this is not the case, but I guess it is worth asking.
> Changing the statutes will be a pain and it will cost money, no doubt about 
> that.
> Here's some more information about how membership fee works in the pgfr 
> association.  An active member can be an individual, an association or a 
> company. The membership fee is different for each : individuals have to pay 
> 20€, associations have to pay 200€ , companies have to pay 400€. These prices 
> are not defined in the statutes.
> By the way, from my point of view money is not the key. I agree with what Dave 
> said in the first place : for an Open-Source project having many contributors 
> is far more important than having a big bank account. However money can be 
> useful in some cases and self-funding is a mean of Independence.
> But maybe there's a third way that can get us out of this issue. Let's say 
> that instead a setting a standard membership free, we propose a "free 
> membership fee".  I mean : any member is free to pay what he wants or what 
> you can give. 

I was secretary of an association where the statues said something like 
: 'is a member everybody already member of that, and for the 
non-exigeable 1FF (was years BeforeEuro)'

--> As it is sometimes ago, I don't know if it is still possible(or 
how), but for PGEU, it can be something like that:
'Is member everybody already member of a nationnal postgresql group as 
defined by its objectives :  ..... (check the common objectives for 
every pg group and the acceptance of this group in the the pgeu by the 
executive comitee or..) and for the non-payable1Euro. People who are not 
already  member of any pg group can become member for the non-payable 1 
Then every members of pgfr pgit... become by fact member of pgeu if *he* 
want, others people can submit to become member and don't have to paid"

I haven't lot of time right now, please excuse my email which is like a 
> Let's call that "WYCIWYG membership" : What You Can Is What You Give :P
> With this system there would be no frustration : 
>   - a  person from a country with no local user group could say : « there's no 
> association my country so i'm joining the European Group and i pay the 
> membership fee that i can afford »  
>   - a french speaking person who is already member of pgfr could say : « ok 
> i'm already paying the pgfr membership , and pgfr gives money to the European 
> Group, so i'm only giving a symbolic fee of 1€ to the European association »
> Of course this proposition doesn't solve the bottom-line issue  which is ( if 
> i understand correctly ) : Do we want a federal organization or a 
> transnational organization or both ? But the main advantage of the "free 
> membership fee" is that it works in the 3 cases :-)  The second advantage is 
> that we don't have to change the statutes to make it happen.
> Good night !

Cédric Villemain
Administrateur de Base de Données
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