Re: Release Candidate of the PostgreSQL Europe association statutes

damien clochard a écrit :
> Le Sunday 13 January 2008 23:14:30 Gabriele Bartolini, vous avez écrit :
>
>> Ciao Dave,
>>
>> Dave Page ha scritto:
>>
>>> Yes!! That's almost exactly what I just wrote to Andreas :-)
>>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>> If others are in agreement, can the rules be reworked to allow for this?
>>>
>> I don't know if it is worth writing it in the statute. I am asking the
>> French guys to confirm this. In Italy, you try and define the main goals
>> and the management issues in the statute. The more practical and
>> operative issues are left in an external document, which can be flexibly
>> (but democratically) changed.
>>
>
> Exactly.
>
>
>> This is because a change in the statute comes at a price: you need to
>> deposit again to the official authorities and pay taxes. Maybe if France
>> this is not the case, but I guess it is worth asking.
>>
>>
>
> Changing the statutes will be a pain and it will cost money, no doubt about
> that.
>
> Here's some more information about how membership fee works in the pgfr
> association. An active member can be an individual, an association or a
> company. The membership fee is different for each : individuals have to pay
> 20€, associations have to pay 200€ , companies have to pay 400€. These prices
> are not defined in the statutes.
>
> By the way, from my point of view money is not the key. I agree with what Dave
> said in the first place : for an Open-Source project having many contributors
> is far more important than having a big bank account. However money can be
> useful in some cases and self-funding is a mean of Independence.
>
> But maybe there's a third way that can get us out of this issue. Let's say
> that instead a setting a standard membership free, we propose a "free
> membership fee". I mean : any member is free to pay what he wants or what
> you can give.
>
>

I was secretary of an association where the statues said something like
: 'is a member everybody already member of that, and for the
non-exigeable 1FF (was years BeforeEuro)'

--> As it is sometimes ago, I don't know if it is still possible(or
how), but for PGEU, it can be something like that:
'Is member everybody already member of a nationnal postgresql group as
defined by its objectives : ..... (check the common objectives for
every pg group and the acceptance of this group in the the pgeu by the
executive comitee or..) and for the non-payable1Euro. People who are not
already member of any pg group can become member for the non-payable 1
euro.'
Then every members of pgfr pgit... become by fact member of pgeu if *he*
want, others people can submit to become member and don't have to paid"

I haven't lot of time right now, please excuse my email which is like a
draft.
> Let's call that "WYCIWYG membership" : What You Can Is What You Give :P
>
> With this system there would be no frustration :
>
> - a person from a country with no local user group could say : « there's no
> association my country so i'm joining the European Group and i pay the
> membership fee that i can afford »
>
> - a french speaking person who is already member of pgfr could say : « ok
> i'm already paying the pgfr membership , and pgfr gives money to the European
> Group, so i'm only giving a symbolic fee of 1€ to the European association »
>
> Of course this proposition doesn't solve the bottom-line issue which is ( if
> i understand correctly ) : Do we want a federal organization or a
> transnational organization or both ? But the main advantage of the "free
> membership fee" is that it works in the 3 cases :-) The second advantage is
> that we don't have to change the statutes to make it happen.
>
> Good night !
>
>

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