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Re: Proposal: Commit timestamp

From: Jan Wieck <JanWieck(at)Yahoo(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Neil Conway <neilc(at)samurai(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Commit timestamp
Date: 2007-01-26 00:49:46
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On 1/25/2007 7:41 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Jan Wieck <JanWieck(at)Yahoo(dot)com> writes:
>> On 1/25/2007 6:47 PM, Neil Conway wrote:
>>> Would this feature have any use beyond the specific project/algorithm
>>> you have in mind?
>> The tablelog project on pgfoundry currently uses the transactions start 
>> time but would be very delighted to have the commit time available instead.
> BTW, it's not clear to me why you need a new log area for this.  (We
> don't log transaction start time anywhere, so certainly tablelog's needs
> would not include it.)  Commit timestamps are available from WAL commit
> records in a crash-and-restart scenario, so wouldn't that be enough?

First, I need the timestamp of the original transaction that caused the 
data to change, which can be a remote or a local transaction. So the 
timestamp currently recorded in the WAL commit record is useless and the 
commit record has to be extended by one more timestamp.

Second, I don't think that an API scanning for WAL commit records by xid 
would be efficient enough to satisfy the needs of a timestamp based 
conflict resolution system, which would have to retrieve the timestamp 
for every rows xmin that it is about to update in order to determine if 
the old or the new values should be used.

Third, keeping the timestamp information in the WAL only would require 
to keep the WAL segments around until they are older than the admin 
chosen minimum freeze age. I hope you don't want to force that penalty 
on everyone who intends to use multimaster replication.


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