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Re: Certification Available +Pronounce

From: Tino Wildenhain <tino(at)wildenhain(dot)de>
To: Chris Travers <chris(at)travelamericas(dot)com>
Cc: David Fetter <david(at)fetter(dot)org>,Robert Cleary <robert(dot)cleary(at)ul(dot)ie>, pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Certification Available +Pronounce
Date: 2005-08-25 06:46:02
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> Now for PostgreSQL certification.  A *real* PostgreSQL certification 
> project would be extremely difficult and runs up against at least the 
> following issues:
> 1)  There is a lot of bad information out there about database design
> 2)  Unlike Oracle, administering the basic server is not that 
> complicated.  I.e. the barrier to being a technician is pretty low.
> 3)  Very few programmers want to know how to use an RDBMS properly (part 
> of why MySQL is so popular).
> So you are stuck.
> Most vendor-sponsored certification programs are marketing programs in 
> disguise "Look at the Cool Stuff(tm) you can do with our software."  In 
> the case of the MCP exams, they often fail miserably.  In other words, 
> they teach on features rather than substance which is *why* you get 
> people working well above their ability simply because they have a 
> certification (they didn't realize it but they were being trained to 
> sell the software rather than use it).  Do we really want that image for 
> PostgreSQL?
> If I wanted to recommend existing certifications for someone who wanted 
> to get a cert that would help him be a safe DBA, I would suggest that 
> he/she start with the Server+, and then take the LPI track.  As for 
> database design, that is another matter.  Study, Study, Study.  No 
> certification required.

I think the chances here are to make at least one postgres based
certification which is really about sane database design - e.g.
can be applied on many other rdbms. This includes detection
of steps to improve queries by reading the explain output for example.

This means you need a practizing kind of process and not the
simple multiple choice (most test vendors go practice tests
these days). The other problem is the international trustworthy
hosting of these tests.

So first we would need an agreeement among a group of individuals,
forming an organisation which is the authority of the certs and
watches the fulfillment of all requirements and can actually revoke

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