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Re: PostgreSQL in the press again

From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: Chris Travers <chris(at)travelamericas(dot)com>
Cc: Andrew Sullivan <ajs(at)crankycanuck(dot)ca>,PostgreSQL advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL in the press again
Date: 2004-11-10 18:47:57
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> Now I realize that Mommoth PostgreSQL is available from the same vendor 
> that offros Mommoth Replicator. 
 > But in the eyes of the customer Mammoth
> and PostgreSQL are not identical.  

This is actually something we are working on. Command Prompt over the 
last 6 months or so has been trying to reidentify Mammoth PostgreSQL as:

PostgreSQL + Replication

Because, except for the compression features the only difference between
Mammoth and PostgreSQL proper is the replication. The compression 
features are being prepped to be push to patches for review for 8.1.

Therefore they are afraid of having
> one vendor tell them that the problem exists with another third-party 
> product.  This reaction that add-ons are somewhat inferior to solutions 
> offered from the same source then leads people to say "PostgreSQL 
> doesn't have replication!"  MS SQL has at least 2 forms of replication, 
> PostgreSQL doesn't have any in this view.

Well I think that part of that is that PostgreSQL doesn't say it has 
replication, when it clearly does. A look at the features list:

Shows no such mention of replication. It should plain as day say:


   Available via Slony-I, and Replicator (or any others we see fit).

Considering that google brings that page up first if you type in 
postgresql features...

> What we need to do to counter this perception is advertise the fact that 
> many of these replication systems are developed by core community 
> members and/or developers, and some of them are quite mature.  Some, 
> like dbmirror, have a history of being included in the source release, 
> even.  We need to advertise these things.  Yes, the following projects 
> had involvement by members of our core team....  The following 
> projects/products have great commercial support....  The following 
> products/projects are widely used in the community....

Errr... doh to me, read above ;)


Joshua D. Drake

> As a community, obviously our focus will be on open source solutions, 
> but I have no problem with such a document pointing to commercial 
> products from time to time in order to show that we as a community 
> endorse solutions to this problem.  (Regarding commercial Win32 ports, I 
> am not opposed to having a "commercial ports" list available either.)  
> Yes, this opens a can of worms, but it solves another bigger problem 
> (perception by potential customers and the press).
> It might not be a bad idea for a collaborative effort to be used to 
> write a faq solely on replication options available.
> Best Wishes,
> Chris Travers
> Metatron Technology Consulting
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