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Re: PostgreSQL Certification

From: Robert Bernier <robert(dot)bernier5(at)sympatico(dot)ca>
To: pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Certification
Date: 2003-10-27 20:33:17
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Hi guys,

I've been watching this thread for the last little while and I'd like to 
contribute a little of my own thoughts. In the province of Ontario if 
you want to create courseware under the "Private Vocational School Act", 
that's your typical IT school folks, you need to describe the conduct of 
each class down to a minute by minute description. The course is vetted 
and approved by the government's own education professionals who may or 
may not know anything about postgres but they sure as hell know the 
business of education and can recognize whether or not somebody is 
competent and knows enough to be trusted and to receive government 
approval, which by the way takes the form of money, lots of it i.e. in 
the form of student loan funding for the educational institution to take 
that course.

If the postgres community wants certification then here's one way I 
believe it could be done:

1. write a text book / develop courseware
2. use the book in a local college environment
3. after running a couple of cycles of running the course then make a 
formal pitch at the local govt responsible for funding of educational 
4. run another couple of cycles of the course now in its sanctioned 
format (you are by the way further refining the text book)
5. now create a corporate (non profit maybe) structure that takes over 
and takes the necesary steps to get it into the prometric testing 
infra-structure (or comptia.. whatever)
6. offer the text book as the reference for certification.

If the core development group is willing to give its blessing to the 
force behind this courseware then it's just a matter of going through 
the steps and not making enemies as you go through the motions. I know 
of people who have already done most of these steps within their own 

Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:

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>On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>How do we evaluate those classes?  Is someone going to be there?  We can
>>look at the printed curriculum, but do we know the instructor can answer
>>a reasonable question _not_ on the curriculum?  How do we tell a company
>>we will _not_ cerify their course?
>What about certifiying the instructor first? I mean: 'PGDG Certified 
>Instructors'. If I'm a PGDG Certified instructor, everyone should be sure 
>that I could answare almost 'any' question about PostgreSQL.
>Ok, let's see the point: We are running an open-source product, that has 
>no company with it. I'd prefer a class that will be certified by a company 
>or Development Group. For example, there are a lot of Linux Classes in 
>here; but when I feel that I need to take a certificate, I'd prefer Red 
>Hat's exams. So, there may be a lot of PostgreSQL classes everywhere --but 
>I'm pretty sure that people will choose a (PGDG) certified class.
>All you need to say is 'PGDG Certifies XX Company's Courses'; you do not 
>need to announce the opposite.

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