Re: PATCH: logical_work_mem and logical streaming of large in-progress transactions

From: Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
To: Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Dilip Kumar <dilipbalaut(at)gmail(dot)com>, Michael Paquier <michael(at)paquier(dot)xyz>, Peter Eisentraut <peter(dot)eisentraut(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, PostgreSQL Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PATCH: logical_work_mem and logical streaming of large in-progress transactions
Date: 2020-03-30 15:27:58
Message-ID: 20200330152758.fgp62lwb2ug7cl2a@development
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:47:57AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
>On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:01 PM Tomas Vondra
><tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:19:21AM +0530, Amit Kapila wrote:
>> >On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:29 AM Tomas Vondra
>> ><tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ummm, how is that different from what the patch is doing now? I mean, we
>> >> only write the top-level XID for the first WAL record in each subxact,
>> >> right? Or what would be the difference with your approach?
>> >>
>> >
>> >We have to do what the patch is currently doing and additionally, we
>> >will set this flag after PGPROC_MAX_CACHED_SUBXIDS which would allow
>> >us to call ProcArrayApplyXidAssignment during WAL replay only after
>> >PGPROC_MAX_CACHED_SUBXIDS number of subxacts. It will help us in
>> >clearing the KnownAssignedXids at the same time as we do now, so no
>> >additional performance overhead.
>> >
>> Hmmm. So we'd still log assignment twice? Or would we keep just the
>> immediate assignments (embedded into xlog records), and cache the
>> subxids on the replica somehow?
>I think we need to cache the subxids on the replica somehow but I
>don't have a very good idea for it. Basically, there are two ways to
>do it (a) Change the KnownAssignedXids in some way so that we can
>easily find this information without losing on the current benefits of
>it. I can't think of a good way to do that and even if we come up
>with something, it could easily be a lot of work, (b) Cache the
>subxids for a particular transaction in local memory along with
>KnownAssignedXids. This is doable but now we have two data-structures
>(one in shared memory and other in local memory) managing the same
>information in different ways.
>Do you have any other ideas?

I don't follow. Why couldn't we have a simple cache on the standby? It
could be either a simple array or a hash table (with the top-level xid
as hash key)?

I think the single array would be sufficient, but the hash table would
allow keeping the apply logic more or less as it's today. See the
attached patch that adds such cache - I do admit I haven't tested this,
but hopefully it's a sufficient illustration of the idea.

It does not handle cleanup of the cache, but I think that should not be
difficult - we simply need to remove entries for transactions that got
committed or rolled back. And do something about transactions without an
explicit commit/rollback record, but that can be done by also handling
XLOG_RUNNING_XACTS (by removing anything preceding oldestRunningXid).

I don't think this is particularly complicated or a lot of code, and I
don't see why would it require data structures in shared memory. Only
the walreceiver on standby needs to worry about this, no?


Tomas Vondra
PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training & Services

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