|From:||Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>|
|To:||Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>|
|Cc:||Antonin Houska <ah(at)cybertec(dot)at>, Stephen Frost <sfrost(at)snowman(dot)net>, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>, Tomas Vondra <tomas(dot)vondra(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Haribabu Kommi <kommi(dot)haribabu(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Moon, Insung" <Moon_Insung_i3(at)lab(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, Ibrar Ahmed <ibrar(dot)ahmad(at)gmail(dot)com>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>|
|Subject:||Re: [Proposal] Table-level Transparent Data Encryption (TDE) and Key Management Service (KMS)|
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 12:26:24PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 08:31:17AM -0400, Joe Conway wrote:
> > Please see my other reply (and
> > https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/SP/nistspecialpublication800-38a.pdf
> > appendix C as pointed out by Ryan downthread).
> > At least in my mind, I trust a published specification from the
> > nation-state level over random blogs or wikipedia. If we can find some
> > equivalent published standards that contradict NIST we should discuss
> > it, but for my money I would prefer to stick with the NIST recommended
> > method to produce the IVs.
> So, we have had a flurry of activity on this thread in the past day, so
> let me summarize:
Seems we have an updated approach:
First, we need to store the symmetric encryption key in the data
directory, like we do for SSL certificates and private keys. (Crash
recovery needs access to this key, so we can't easily store it in a
database table.) We will pattern it after the GUC
ssl_passphrase_command. We will need to decide on a format for the
symmetric encryption key in the file so we can check that the supplied
passphrase properly unlocks the key.
Our first implementation will encrypt the entire cluster. We can later
consider encryption per table or tablespace. It is unclear if
encrypting different parts of the system with different keys is useful
or feasible. (This is separate from key rotation.)
We will use CBC AES128 mode for tables/indexes, and CTR AES128 for WAL.
8k pages will use the LSN as a nonce, which will be encrypted to
generate the initialization vector (IV). We will not encrypt the first
16 bytes of each pages so the LSN can be used in this way. The WAL will
use the WAL file segment number as the nonce and the IV will be created
in the same way.
wal_log_hints will be enabled automatically in encryption mode, like we
do for checksum mode, so we never encrypt different 8k pages with the
There will need to be a pg_control field to indicate that encryption is
Right now we don't support the online changing of a cluster's checksum
mode, so I suggest we create a utility like pg_checksums --enable to
allow offline key rotation. Once we get online checksum mode changing
ability, we can look into use that for encryption key rotation.
Did I miss anything?
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