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Re: Release Candidate of the PostgreSQL Europeassociation statutes

From: Koen Martens <gmc(at)sonologic(dot)nl>
To: Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
Cc: damien clochard <damien(at)dalibo(dot)info>, pgeu-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Release Candidate of the PostgreSQL Europeassociation statutes
Date: 2008-01-14 15:54:23
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 04:05:29PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> ANother option would be to assign members of the actual EU group (that
> don't have a national org) an individual vote, but assign member groups a
> group vote. Like pgfr would get 50 votes or something (example!). Then the
> board of pgfr would decide where those votes go, because the board of pgfr
> was voted by the members of pgfr.

Ah, and then haggle about the correct number of votes each local group should have, like in EU politics :)

Seriously though, it's a bit of a problem that there is a split purpose for the association: on the one hand it wants to be an umbrella organisation (in which a 'one local group one vote' scheme makes sense), on the other hand it wants to be individual-member organisation, where the 'one man one vote' principle is more appropriate.

The problem with giving pgfr X votes is that it gives the impression that my own (I live in holland -> no local group (yet?)) vote will be insignificant, if X is significantly large (say X>10).

> > > > > You might want to think about a safeguard against 'takeovers' too: a rush
> > > > > of new members right before a GA because some malicious party wants to
> > > > > take-over the voting.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Actally only the half of the Board of Directors is renewed every year and 
> > > > members of the Board of Directors are elected for 2 years. So a complete 
> > > > takeover would take 2 years :-)
> > 
> > Or, give voting right to people who have been paying member for at least x months. 
> I thought the current track had us not asking for membership fees...

Oh right, true, that's the problem with me and mailing lists, i find it hard to decipher what was proposed and what was decided. 

> But that's one of the reasons to actually ask for a membership fee. It
> doesn't have to be large...

There could be any other criterium that a member as to satisfy, not necesarilly monetary. Some organisation merely require you to register, others decide membership on a 'approved by the board' basis, or whatever. The crux being that you should have satisfied the chosen criterium for at least x months already to be able to vote.



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