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Re: PHP/Postgresql Advocacy

From: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
To: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
Cc: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>,Alexey Borzov <borz_off(at)cs(dot)msu(dot)su>, David Costa <geeks(at)dotgeek(dot)org>,pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PHP/Postgresql Advocacy
Date: 2004-02-14 20:31:41
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

> > and that it does *need* to be fixed ... hell, everyone on the list even
> > welcomes Alexey's input and work towards fixing it ... what nobody is
> > welcoming is his "do it my way or no way" attitude ...
> I guess I didn't get that from his posts. I just got that he is frustrated
> because he is passionate about PostgreSQL but it seems that the website
> and web community around it is so difficult to deal with.

You must have missed his original thread then, when he vehemently(sp?)
argued that we should give him full CVS access to change the web site
because the mock up he showed us of what he wanted to do was sooooo vastly
superior to what is there now ...

> I actually don't know if the web community is difficult to deal with so
> I can speak to that.

They aren't ... there is a mailing list setup for discussing the technical
www issues ... it is a fairly large list, but it isn't an open list (ie.
subscriptions are mooerated to the extent of 'you want to be on it, let
Dave know and he'll add you' ... basically, if you are interested enough
in being a part of it to ask to be apart of it, you'll get added ... we
have no 'full time, that is all they do, web developer', everything is
like -hackesr ... a volunteer group that does what they can, when they can

Alexey came along from the start with "give me the reins and I'll fix all
the problems" ... and even that wouldn't been so bad, except he came out
of no where, told everyone they were doing it all wrong, and that his way
was better ...

That put the hackles up on everyones necks who have been spending their
spare time trying to clean up the web sites and improve them ...

Nobody has once stated that Alexey doesn't have anything to contribute ...
and alot of effort has been made by several to 'steer him' into the
sequence of steps that has been determined need to be done to improve
things ... but, I know in my case at least, any positive benefits Alexey
can bring to the community are being heavily negated by his temper
tantrums ...

So, do we think Alexey has something to contribute?  Yes, definitely ...

> Sure... but to some degree he is right.

Guess it depends on how you parent ... my 2 year old throws temper
tantrums ... we put her on the floor and let her yell her lungs out until
she decides that she's just not makign as much headway as she could be
making ...

Alexey, right now, is about in the same league ... he could get alot more
done, faster, if we didn't have to wait out his temper tantrums ...

Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (
Email: scrappy(at)hub(dot)org           Yahoo!: yscrappy              ICQ: 7615664

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