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Re: Reliably determining whether the server came up

From: Mischa Sandberg <mischa_sandberg(at)telus(dot)net>
To: pgsql-admin(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Reliably determining whether the server came up
Date: 2008-11-18 16:47:24
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Quoting Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>:

> Mischa Sandberg <mischa_sandberg(at)telus(dot)net> writes:
> > Perhaps it's my "test for DB ready" that's the problem?
> > + while pg_ctl status && ! psql -l; do sleep 1; done >/dev/null
> 2>&1
> I'd bet that the pg_ctl status part is failing.  I get exit status 1
> from it if there's no server running.

Yes, that was part of the problem with the original startup script;
postmaster hadn't even gotten as far as writing,
I guess. But pg_ctl status returning 1 could also mean that that the
server had come up, hit a critical problem and exited. Hence my problem;
this has to detect server failure, reliably, as well.

BTW the example with (start,status,psql,createlang) failing just
happened, to my surprise, on my dev box -- fairly fast and lightly
loaded. On loaded, unattended systems, it happened consistently.
In another vein, another place where there are consistent
failures is in the sequence:

   createlang ... -d template1 plpgsql
   createdb $PGDATABASE

The failure can happen on createdb ("template1 is busy")
or on <app>; and most frequently on the systems with overloaded disks.
My hacky response is to separate those steps with:

   psql -qc checkpoint template1

which consistently makes the problem go away; but what is
the problem, exactly, that this is tripping over??

Anyway, thanks for the comments.
Engineers think that equations approximate reality.
Physicists think that reality approximates the equations.
Mathematicians never make the connection.

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