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From: Neil Conway <neilc(at)samurai(dot)com>
To: pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: fixing LISTEN/NOTIFY
Date: 2005-10-06 04:41:26
Message-ID: 1128573686.9140.44.camel@localhost.localdomain (view raw, whole thread or download thread mbox)
Lists: pgsql-hackers
Applications that frequently use LISTEN/NOTIFY can suffer from
performance problems because of the MVCC bloat created by frequent
insertions into pg_listener. A solution to this has been suggested in
the past: rewrite LISTEN/NOTIFY to use shared memory rather than system

The problem is that there is a static amount of shared memory and a
potentially unbounded number of notifications, so we can run out of
memory. There are two ways to solve this: we can do as sinval does and
clear the shared memory queue, then effectively issue a NOTIFY ALL that
awakens all listeners. I don't like this behaviour: it seems ugly to
expose an implementation detail (static sizing of shared memory) to
applications. While a lot of applications are only using LISTEN/NOTIFY
for cache invalidation (and so spurious notifications are just a
performance hit), this behaviour still seems unfortunate to me. Using
NOTIFY ALL also makes NOTIFY 'msg' far less useful, which is a feature
several users have asked for in the past.

I think it would be better to either fail the NOTIFY when there is not
enough shared memory to add a new notification to the queue, or have the
NOTIFY block until shared memory does become available (applications
could of course implement the latter on top of the former by using
savepoints and a loop, either on the client-side or in PL/PgSQL). I
guess we could add an option to NOTIFY to specify how to handle

A related question is when to add the notification to the shared memory
queue. We don't want the notification to fire until the NOTIFY's
transaction commits, so one alternative would be to delay appending to
the queue until transaction-commit time. However, that would mean we
wouldn't notice NOTIFY failure until the end of the transaction, or else
that we would block waiting for free space during the transaction-commit
process. I think it would be better to add an entry to shared memory
during the NOTIFY itself, and stamp that entry with the NOTIFY's
toplevel XID. Other backends can read that the notification immediately
(and once all the backends have seen it, the notification can be removed
from the queue). Each backend can use the XID to determine when to
"fire" the notification (and if the notifying backend rolls back, they
can just discard the notification). This scheme is more expensive when
the notifying transaction rolls back, but I don't think that is the
common case.

Comments? (I'm still thinking about how to organize the shared memory
queue, and whether any of the sinval stuff can be reused...)



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