Re: CoC [Final v2]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
wrote:

> On 01/23/2016 04:00 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
>
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This document provides community guidelines for a safe, respectful,
>>> productive, and collaborative place for any person who is willing to
>>> contribute to the PostgreSQL community. It applies to all "collaborative
>>> space", which is defined as community communications channels (such as
>>> mailing lists, IRC, submitted patches, commit comments, etc.).
>>>
>>
>> We need to also cover abuse by members of the community made outside the
>> community. Otherwise we’ll appear to give safe harbor to abusers.
>>
>
> The private lives of members are the private lives of members. Let
> whatever space they are in and the requirements of that space dictate the
> response to their behaviour.

Additionally, "if you are harassed, maybe you should consult a lawyer" is
not a bad option.

>
>
>
>> * Participants will be tolerant of opposing views.
>>>
>>
>> This statement can be used in defense of abusive behavior (“I was just
>> expressing an opposing view!”).
>>
>
> Can you provide an example of said behaviour that does not also violate
> the below?

What is abusive? And doesn't any formulation provide cover for arguably
abusive behavior?

>
>
>> * Participants must ensure that their language and actions are free
>>> of personal attacks and disparaging personal remarks.
>>>
>>> * When interpreting the words and actions of others, participants
>>> should always assume good intentions.
>>>
>>
>> This statement can be used in defense of abusive behavior (“You should
>> recognize the intention behind what I said was benign!”).
>>
>
> Yes it can and then when they are corrected, if they continue, the below
> kicks in.
>
>
>> * Behaviour which can be reasonably considered harassment will not be
>>> tolerated.
>>>
>>
>> Link to enforcement policy will of course be required.
>>
>
> Yes but as mentioned earlier, first comes the CoC, then comes the
> enforcement policy.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Joshua D. Drake
>
>
>> Best,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
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