Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation

From: Geoff Winkless <pgsqladmin(at)geoff(dot)dj>
To: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>
Cc: Geoff Winkless <pgsqladmin(at)geoff(dot)dj>, Gavin Flower <GavinFlower(at)archidevsys(dot)co(dot)nz>, Albe Laurenz <laurenz(dot)albe(at)wien(dot)gv(dot)at>, "Peter Geoghegan *EXTERN*" <pg(at)heroku(dot)com>, Erik Rijkers <er(at)xs4all(dot)nl>, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, pgsql-committers <pgsql-committers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, "pgsql-committers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org" <pgsql-committers-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [COMMITTERS] pgsql: Use gender-neutral language in documentation
Date: 2015-09-22 13:25:33
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On 22 September 2015 at 14:09, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net> wrote:

> You are fighting a losing battle. Think of they/them/their/theirs as being
> indefinitely gendered third person singular pronouns, as well as being
> third person plural pronouns. Yes it's a relatively new usage, but I don't
> think its at all unreasonable (speaking as someone who has been known to
> dislike some new usages and neologisms). It's not at all sloppy. On the
> contrary, it's quite deliberate. It's just not quite traditional.
>

​​It _is_ sloppy. It says "I can't be bothered to write a sentence that's
grammatically correct".

> You need to get over that.
>

I don't need to get over anything. If someone sends me a document that uses
"their" in a singular usage, I will think that person is lazy. That will
continue to be the case, whether people tell me that it's accepted usage or
not.

In much the same way, I know that I can safely discount the opinion of
anyone who uses "literally" to mean anything other than "literally"
(
​similarly anyone who uses
"like" as a quotative)
​, even though both of those things are now in fairly common usage.​

> Your proposed style would make writing docs a lot harder,
>

I don't buy that at all. It takes a couple of seconds, if that, to come up
with something.

> forcing us to avoid use of the singular in cases where it is quite
> natural.
>

​Better than using the plural in the singular case.

> I'm strongly opposed to such a style rule.
>

​Meh. I don't really care how it's written, certainly not enough to make a
stand about it. I'd rather you guys concentrate on writing the brilliant
software than wasting time on stuff like this. I only replied because the
conversation popped up in my inbox and it seemed to be something on which
opinions were requested.

Geoff

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