Re: Freeze avoidance of very large table.

From: Amit Kapila <amit(dot)kapila16(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com>, Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Jim Nasby <Jim(dot)Nasby(at)bluetreble(dot)com>, Michael Paquier <michael(dot)paquier(at)gmail(dot)com>, Petr Jelinek <petr(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, Andres Freund <andres(at)anarazel(dot)de>, Greg Stark <stark(at)mit(dot)edu>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>
Subject: Re: Freeze avoidance of very large table.
Date: 2015-10-24 01:59:40
Message-ID: CAA4eK1+hJprmwTWG9ZyLpqD4K37PdtZa=VmpBnNf_tE=Y56gYQ@mail.gmail.com
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:53 PM, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:03 PM, Fujii Masao <masao(dot)fujii(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Masahiko Sawada <sawada(dot)mshk(at)gmail(dot)com>
wrote:
> >>> +#define Anum_pg_class_relallfrozen 12
> >>> Why is pg_class.relallfrozen necessary? ISTM that there is no user of
it now.
> >>
> >> The relallfrozen would be useful for user to estimate time to vacuum
> >> freeze or anti-wrapping vacuum before being done them actually.
> >> (Also this value is used on regression test.)
> >> But this information is not used on planning like relallvisible, so it
> >> would be good to move this information to another system view like
> >> pg_stat_*_tables.
> >
> > Or make pgstattuple and pgstattuple_approx report even the number
> > of frozen tuples?
> >
>
> But we cannot know the number of frozen pages without installation of
> pageinspect module.
> I'm a bit concerned about that the all projects cannot install
> extentension module into postgresql on production environment.
> I think we need to provide such feature at least into core.
>

I think we can display information about relallfrozen it in pg_stat_*_tables
as suggested by you. It doesn't make much sense to keep it in pg_class
unless we have some usecase for the same.

With Regards,
Amit Kapila.
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com

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