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Re: Irresponsible actions

From: Oleg Bartunov <oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su>
To: Robert Treat <xzilla(at)users(dot)sourceforge(dot)net>
Cc: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)www(dot)commandprompt(dot)com>,Justin Clift <justin(at)postgresql(dot)org>,"Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>,Omar Kilani <omar(at)tinysofa(dot)org>,PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>,Dave Page <dpage(at)vale-housing(dot)co(dot)uk>
Subject: Re: Irresponsible actions
Date: 2004-12-23 01:16:05
Message-ID: Pine.GSO.4.61.0412230338451.3825@ra.sai.msu.su (view raw or flat)
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Robert Treat wrote:

> On Wednesday 22 December 2004 14:53, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>>>> We all know that given another week or so the rest of the outstanding
>>>> bits should be fixed, and we'll have further feedback about
>>>> totally-unknown problems coming in too.
>>>
>>> The site looks great! Good job everyone.
>>
>> I noticed, that:
>>
>> 1. The site has no favicon and "SHORTCUT ICON". What's a reason to remove
>> them ?
>
> If there was a reason, it is because it was overlooked. However I am still
> getting the favicon... can someone else duplicate the problem?

megera(at)mira:~ $>curl -I http://www.postgresql.org/favicon.ico 
HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:39:54 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) PHP/4.3.9 mod_ssl/2.8.20 OpenSSL/0.9.7d
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

See, for example, http://techdocs.postgresql.org/.
Oh, guys, I see very funny page ! See screenshots:
http://mira.sai.msu.su/~megera/pgsql/www.postgresql.org.jpg
http://mira.sai.msu.su/~megera/pgsql/techdocs.jpg

>
>> 2. There are no margings or paddings when width of browser's
>> (firefox 1.0) window is < 765. This is very inconvenient.
>>
>
> I'll just say grrr a few times and mumble about fluid designs to myself...
> eventually this is going to have to be changed.
>

it could be improved rather easy and I already pointed to this problem,
but designers are very busy and not very responsive. I don't see any replies.
I'm not a big designer, but I don't believe current implementation is optimal and
maintainable:
7 (seven) .css files
megera(at)mira:~/WWW/pgsql/css $>ls -l
total 32
-rw-rw-r--  1 megera netadm  592 Dec 23 03:51 fixed.css
-rw-rw-r--  1 megera netadm 1023 Dec 23 03:51 global.css
-rw-rw-r--  1 megera netadm 2511 Dec 23 03:51 iefixes.css
-rw-rw-r--  1 megera netadm 7558 Dec 23 03:51 layout.css
-rw-rw-r--  1 megera netadm 3189 Dec 23 03:51 navigation.css
-rw-rw-r--  1 megera netadm 1901 Dec 23 03:51 table.css
-rw-rw-r--  1 megera netadm 2359 Dec 23 03:51 text.css
megera(at)mira:~/WWW/pgsql/css $>cat  *|wc
    1145    2445   19133
megera(at)mira:~/WWW/pgsql/css $>du -s .
36      .

I think it's too much.  Also, it's not optimized for people with
slow link - 37 http requests, it's not optimized for server - 
29 images are served by rather slow http server which is 
apache+php+mod_ssl. All binary objects should be served by small and light
server, this is a classic.


>

 	Regards,
 		Oleg
_____________________________________________________________
Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet,
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia)
Internet: oleg(at)sai(dot)msu(dot)su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: +007(095)939-16-83, +007(095)939-23-83

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