Re: Websites you like

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pgsql-www-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
> [mailto:pgsql-www-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org] On Behalf Of Gavin M. Roy
> Sent: 21 June 2004 22:30
> To: josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com
> Cc: pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Websites you like
>
> 1) How big should the template web page be sans ads and
> content - total KB for the layout html, navigation, graphics,
> but excluding any content. 10K, 25K, 50K? If we can't come
> to a common consensus as to target, lets at least choose a
> maximum size.

Well, we say max 12KB (iirc) for banner ads, so there's 24KB already.
Same again for a banner - say 50KB total? More and more ppl have
broadband these days, so size is less of an issue for most.

I also wonder if we should provide a text-only version of the site.
Certainly in .uk this sort of thing is now a legal requirement as we
have to provide services that are accessible to anyone - I don't think
it would be a bad idea for us to do the same (shouldn't be difficult
with templates either).

> 2) HTML Version, Compliance, etc... (HTML 3.0, 3.2, 4.0, XHTML)

We had spoken about XHTML1.0 in the past. Dunno if Alexey's code is
written to that standard though?

> 3) Can it/should it use CSS (1.0?)?

Yes, I don't see why not. We use CSS at the moment.

> 4) Colors: Can the site use colors and/or pictures and
> graphics that fall outside the current gray scale and gray-blue?

I think the main bulk of the site needs to be in 'corporate colours',
however I have no aversion to adding other colours where relevant. For
example, the www.kitcampus.com site I mentioned earlier paints the
left-hand bar in different colours depending on what section of the site
you are in, however the main part of the page remains in the blue
shades.

> 5) Design goals - Should the design goal be to come up with
> something that looks like other sites, but with a unique
> PgSQL touch, or should it strive to be individualistic, and
> stand out when compared to many of the sites listed? Do we
> want to deviate much from what's there now? What are the
> tolerance levels for pushing the envelope?

MY feeling is that this depends entirely on the usability. If you come
up with a great looking, individual design that is usable and
functional, then I don't have a problem with it.

> 6) Once we get a few more design suggestions submitted, how
> do we narrow the focus and chose one, since we can't please everyone?

Let's see what we get before going there, but I would suggest that core
and/or the webmasters make a decision in the event (and only in the
event) of the rest of the list disagreeing.

> Maybe we can get a statistical breakdown of the top 10
> browsers and versions for the current site, at least on the
> main repository at hub.org to get an idea of what browsers
> we're primarily designing for.

Well, you could have got it from
http://www.postgresql.org/stats/webalizer/, but the stats seem to have
stopped running. How do we turn them back on Marc? If you can make do
with data from the first half of January, then it looks like:

1 311686 11.08% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
2 266239 9.46% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET
CLR 1
3 234921 8.35% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
4 145996 5.19% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET
CLR 1
5 96669 3.44% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
6 84485 3.00% MnogoSearch/3.2.14
7 66267 2.36% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5)
Gecko
8 60186 2.14% Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
9 55310 1.97% Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5)
Gecko/2003100
10 48941 1.74% Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5)
Gecko
11 47470 1.69% Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.1; Linux)
12 40830 1.45% Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1)
Gecko/20030
13 35650 1.27% Mozilla/4.5 (compatible; HTTrack 3.0x; Windows 98)
14 26375 0.94% UdmSearch/3.1.21
15 25338 0.90% Mozilla/3.01 (compatible;)

In other words, it looks like IE rules...

Regards, Dave.