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Re: [HACKERS] blog post on ancient history

From: John Wang <johncwang(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org>, Pg Advocacy <pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org>, Pg Hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] blog post on ancient history
Date: 2011-08-25 01:18:58
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FYI, I was just checking out the contributors page and noticed that he's
listed under Past Contributors.

http://www.postgresql.org/community/contributors/


On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:

> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
> > >> Anyone feels in mood for a comment?
> >
> > > I see our mailing list archives for pgsql-hackers only go back to
> > > 1997, so it's hard to track down what was going on in 1996.  But as
> > > for why no one remembers the guy, it's probably because we've had
> > > nearly 100% churn in the set of people who are involved.  Tom Lane
> > > isn't mentioned in the commit log until 1998.  We could see if Bruce
> > > or Marc remember him, but just to put this in perspective, the guy
> > > made 6 commits out of almost 900 that year.
> >
> > According to the logs there was a seventh patch committed for him by
> > Marc, but still: seven patches, touching only libpq and psql (not by any
> > means as "internal" as this blogger thinks), committed over a period of
> > about a month.  That's not exactly a large or sustained contribution.
> > Is it surprising that everyone had forgotten it a few years later?
> >
> > > I don't think we had the
> > > same standards for granting commit access back then that we do now.
> >
> > Yeah, the only thing that's even mildly surprising is that he seems to
> > have been given commit privileges after only one patch.  However,
> > there's an indication in one of the commit messages that he'd previously
> > contributed to the code while Berkeley had it:
> >
> > 1996-07-25 02:46  julian
> >
> >       * src/bin/psql/psql.c: Large re-write/enhancement. In pg-101 Jolly
> >       only included a smaller part of my (proff) patch. This is the rest
> >       of it, with a few, mainly aesthetic changes. I've removed a lot of
> >       redundency from the original code, added support for the new
> >       PQprint() routines in libpq, expanded tables, and a few generally
> >       nifty ways of massaging data in and out of the backend. Still needs
> >       some good stress testing.
> >
> > so maybe that history had something to do with it.
>
> The spring/summer of 1996 was a time when we were trying to gather all
> the scattered work of people who had created patches to Postgres95 but
> had not been integrated by Jolly.  Seems Julian had been in that group
> so his patches were quickly applied.  If he had asked for commit, I
> would have given it to him because he had a history of contributing to
> the project (which I could not confirm).
>
> FYI, I do think I have an archive of much of the pg95-dev(at)ki(dot)net on a
> DAT tape in my basement, and I have an unpowered computer down there
> with a DAT tape drive ... hmmm.
>
> --
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