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Re: Problem serving one-click installer to Syria

From: Dave Page <dpage(at)postgresql(dot)org>
To: Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu>
Cc: Stefan Kaltenbrunner <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, "M(dot) Bashir Al-Noimi" <admin(at)mbnoimi(dot)net>, Adam Alkins <postgresql(at)adamalkins(dot)com>, PostgreSQL www <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Problem serving one-click installer to Syria
Date: 2010-06-15 13:28:17
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On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Greg Stark <gsstark(at)mit(dot)edu> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner
> <stefan(at)kaltenbrunner(dot)cc> wrote:
>> yeah - We really can't discriminate against some of our users in that
>> way(and we are not doing that on any of our other sites). If we cannot get
>> this fixed in a generic way we really need to look into alternative ways -
>> at least for people being affected by that - to get to the one-click
>> installer.
>
> Well South Korea would have been obviously just a mistake. But I would
> expect it to be an issue for any US company to server IPs in Syria,
> North Korea, Cuba, Iran, or Burma/Myanmar. Actually I don't know what
> restrictions there would be for a product that isn't being sold but I
> wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to be conservative and just not
> serve those IPs at all.
>
> For the community it might be tricky to solve since many of the
> servers are hosted or sponsored by US organizations. Having some
> servers with different rules than others might complicate matters
> significantly.

Greg is entirely correct. We cannot export or facilitate the export of
cryto code to embargoed countries, such as Syria due to US export
laws. This doesn't just apply to EnterpriseDB of course, it applies to
the community as well, either where our servers are in the US, or the
people working on them are in the US. The penalties for ignoring this
are *extremely* harsh.

The situation is ridiculous I know - it's easy to get OpenSSL from any
number of places of course. As of this morning, we have people looking
into the legal issues to see if there is a way that we (EnterpriseDB
and the community) can make all our downloads available universally
without putting anyone at risk of prosecution. We're also talking to
other large organisations involved in Open Source to see if/how they
deal with this within the projects they work on.

-- 
Dave Page
EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise Postgres Company

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