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Re: [sysadmins] List moderation - need a break!

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
Cc: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)hub(dot)org>, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>, Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Greg Smith <gsmith(at)gregsmith(dot)com>, "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, PostgreSQL WWW <pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org>, sysadmins <sysadmins(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [sysadmins] List moderation - need a break!
Date: 2009-06-26 15:04:59
Message-ID: 603c8f070906260804j71bb4f7fq95e898468f19ae36@mail.gmail.com (view raw or flat)
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Magnus Hagander<magnus(at)hagander(dot)net> wrote:
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, as Dave said earlier: everything about the email handling is
>>> deeply integrated in the hub.org systems.
>>
>> No it isn't ... when the VPS was first setup, the agreement was that
>> someone was going to setup spamassassin on it as a failback mechanism in
>> case of any problems with the central spamassassin ... to the best of my
>> knowledge, nobody has done that ...
>
> That's not what we're talking about.
>
>
>> Mail going out from Majordomo is set to go out three different MX
>> servers so that they are spread across three postfix queues instead of
>> bottlenecking into one ... there is nothing 'deeply integrated' there,
>> its a performance thing that can be simply removed by doing:
>
> Again, that's not what people are talking about. That is the one part of
> the system that usually works. Even if it would've been nice to have the
> thing documented, as has been requested for years, rather than to have
> to go to the list archives.
>
> It's the incoming mail, an the maia integration, that is the reason for
> almost every single instance of our lists not working every now and
> then. It may very well be that a community maintained system would have
> the exact same issues, but it would have more people who could look at it.
>
>
>>  mj_shell -p XXXX configedit DEFAULT delivery_rules
>>
>> A command there there are several admins on the list capable of doing ...
>>
>> Even the spamassassin stuff is easily disabled by a simple modification
>> to the postfix main.cf file to remove the content_filter and sqlgrey
>> lines .. nothing "deeply integrated" there either, the processing is
>> just offloaded to a different physical server ...
>>
>> If you don't *understand* how things are setup, don't jump to the
>> falsely represented it as 'deeply integrated', as there is nothing
>> integrated with anything Hub related, only stuff piggy backing off of,
>> and those things are be very easily detached ...
>
> Then why has this not happened since it has been requested for *years*?
>
> But you're now saying you're Ok to decouple it? Rather than the usual
> "never going to happen"? That's good news, indeed.
>
> Is the same true for DNS?

I notice that this thread seems to have died an abrupt death, but
without really resolving any of the issues.

...Robert

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