From:
Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
To:
PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres(at)cybertec(dot)at>
Cc:
Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Susanne Ebrecht <miracee(at)web(dot)de>, jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com, Cédric Villemain <cedric(dot)villemain(dot)debian(at)gmail(dot)com>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>, pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject:
Re: criticism about hosting download packages
Date:
2011-02-24 23:14:37
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2011-02-24 22:27:46 from PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres(at)cybertec(dot)at>
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> first of all: i did some cross checking with legal stuff here this evening and what susanne says seems to be true according to some quick investigation.
> i don't want to elaborate on the details here and i don't want to add 500 more argument why this simply sucks ...
> just one final word: stop this kind of stuff ... and do it now ...
Hans, you are not an attorney.
If you go to the EDB download page, the download begins automatically.
The page tells you that downloads begin automatically. There's a link
if downloads don't begin automatically. The registration form makes it
clear that it's for EDB extras.
So I really don't see what the problem is.
Back in 2007, at Sun I hired an industry analyst to do research give me
a list of the 5 biggest items inhibiting PostgreSQL community growth and
large enterprise adoption. The lack of "all-in-one packages" was item
#3. The fact that EnterpriseDB eliminated that item has expanded our
community and user base to many people who never tried PostgreSQL before.
The one-click packages are important. We do not have the volunteer
resources as a community to produce them without EDB's help. If we tell
EDB to get rid of their registration form, they will simply not produce
them.
So unless you're volunteering the resources of Cybertec to take over
production of the one-click packages, this is a pointless discussion.
--
-- Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL Experts Inc.
http://www.pgexperts.com
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