Re: 8.4 release planning

From: Ron Mayer <rm_pg(at)cheapcomplexdevices(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Merlin Moncure <mmoncure(at)gmail(dot)com>, "Jonah H(dot) Harris" <jonah(dot)harris(at)gmail(dot)com>, Gregory Stark <stark(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, Bernd Helmle <mailings(at)oopsware(dot)de>, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: 8.4 release planning
Date: 2009-01-27 00:31:48
Message-ID: 497E55F4.2020503@cheapcomplexdevices.com
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Tom Lane wrote:
> The problem, in words of one syllable, is that we are not sure we want
> it. Do you see a user community clamoring for SEPostgres, or a hacker

This is a chicken-and-egg type of problem.

Security-conscious users, applications, hackers, and customers will
flock towards whichever database product leads in that area.

If some hypothetical database has only minimal security features, I
imagine few security experts would spend a lot of time with the database.

> The second problem is that we're not sure it's really the right thing,
> because we have no one who is competent to review the design from a
> security standpoint. But unless we get past the first problem the
> second one is moot.

Are we underestimating Kaigai Kohei? I seem to see him credited on
the NSA's SELinux pages:
http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/contrib.shtml

and it seems his patches there related to postgresql were pretty widely
discussed on the SELinux lists:
http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0805/index.shtml#26163

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