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Re: Curious about dead rows.

From: Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8(at)verizon(dot)net>
To: pgsql performance <pgsql-performance(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Curious about dead rows.
Date: 2007-11-10 18:38:23
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Tom Lane wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8(at)verizon(dot)net> writes:
>> I am doing lots of INSERTs on a table that starts out empty (I did a
>> TRUNCATE on it). I am not, AFAIK, doing DELETEs or UPDATEs. Autovacuum is
>> on. I moved logging up to debug2 level to see what was going on, and I get
>> things like this:
> 
>>  "vl_as": scanned 3000 of 5296 pages, containing 232944 live rows and 1033
>> dead rows; 3000 rows in sample, 411224 estimated total rows
> 
>> A little later, it says:
> 
>> "vl_as": scanned 3000 of 6916 pages, containing 233507 live rows and 493
>> dead rows; 3000 rows in sample, 538311 estimated total rows
> 
> Well, *something* is doing deletes or updates in that table.  Better
> look a bit harder at your application ...
> 
OK, you agree that if I am doing only INSERTs, that there should not be any
dead rows. Therefore, I _must_ be doing deletes or updates.

But the program is pretty simple, and I see no UPDATEs or DELETEs. I
searched all the program source files (that contain none of them) and all
the libraries I have written, and they have none either. Right now the
programs are not to the state where UPDATEs or DELETEs are required (though
they will be later). I am still developing them and it is easier to just
restore from backup or start over from the beginning since most of the
changes are data laundering from an ever-increasing number of spreadsheets.

Am I right that TRUNCATE deletes all the rows of a table. They may then be
still there, but would not autovacuum clean out the dead rows? Or maybe it
has not gotten to them yet? I could do an explicit one earlier.

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