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Re: pgAdmin licence

From: Andreas Pflug <pgadmin(at)pse-consulting(dot)de>
To: Dave Page <dpage(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Cc: pgadmin-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: pgAdmin licence
Date: 2007-10-14 12:16:54
Message-ID: 471208B6.9080009@pse-consulting.de (view raw or flat)
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Dave Page wrote:
> Andreas Pflug wrote:
>   
>> Dave whatsup?
>>     
>
> I'm trying to do three things (in no particular order):
>
> 1) Change the pgAdmin licence to Artistic 2.0 and above.
>
> You are the only developer who has refused permission to do that,
> however that is your right and we will respect it.
>
> 2) Protect the rights of those who have contributed to pgAdmin.
>
> You have stated that your private work for your customers was broken by
> changes to pgAdmin, and that you have used pgAdmin base classes in
> pgImport which is not distributed in any way that would satisfy the
> pgAdmin licence.
>
> You have since said that you're not using any pgAdmin code.
>
> 3) Understand why we've been having this pointless argument for 18
> months now.
>
> Originally I thought it was because you disagreed with the decision that
> was made to use the wxGrid control in the Query Tool but earlier in this
> thread you said that was not the case.
>
> You then said it was because I changes the Windows build environment to
> VC8 without consulting you, however the archives show that we did
> discuss it and the only concern you raised turned out to be a non-issue.
>
> Point 1 is resolved.
>
> Point 2 is still an unknown. Are you using pgAdmin or pgAdmin-derived
> code in any projects without fulfilling the requirements of the licence?
> If you are, I would ask that you rectify that as soon as practical.
>   
OMG. Can you imagine I feel I can't use my own code as I wish?
For peace sake, I added a reference to the version info.
> Point 3 leaves me both saddened and confused. Given your recent
> comments, and the history in the list archives I cannot understand why
> this disagreement is happening or how it started. We've worked together
> on pgAdmin for years, and we've drunk beer together on the other side of
> the world. Can we not resolve this and move on?
>   
Depends on what you call "resolve" and "move on".
I'm not inclined to reread and quote the messages we exchanged back then
(most of them in private IIRC), so in short from my memory:
- you removed working code, replacing it with half-brewn wxGrid code
that had some bad behaviour. I used the query tool heavily, and rely on
it, and thus was annoyed seeing the main tool (at least temporarily)
degraded. To repeat, I'm exceptionally sensitive about the query tool
because it was the main reason to start work on pgAdmin. I know I made
this point very clear.
I recommitted the working stuff, leaving wxGrid code there for
conditional compilation, you removed it completely again.

Over the next weeks, I used my non-committed trunk (to stay working),
and enhanced it quite a bit (I can recall it only partially, because I
don't have any logs from that time  since I started my own svn a while
later. It covered e.g. Slony support that was broken as I found when
using it).
At the same time, you removed VC6 support, which I didn't realize
immediately because I didn't contact svn for a while.
When finally you understood the conditional compilation way I wanted to
introduce, giving us back some common understanding, I tried to start to
updating/committing and found my dev env f***ed up, with svn and my
version severely diverged. Bummer.
At that time I was heavily p***ed and decided that I could maintain my
pgAdmin fork to my personal needs, and observing how fast I was removed
from the pgAdmin team you seemed to like that. My offer to get and
review my changes in order to extract them for the official pgAdmin
never got an answer.


Regards,
Andreas


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