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Re: [HACKERS] Full page writes improvement, code update

From: Koichi Suzuki <suzuki(dot)koichi(at)oss(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>
To: Zeugswetter Andreas ADI SD <ZeugswetterA(at)spardat(dot)at>
Cc: Hannu Krosing <hannu(at)skype(dot)net>, "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>, josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, pgsql-patches(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Full page writes improvement, code update
Date: 2007-04-23 00:17:21
Message-ID: 462BFB11.7000409@oss.ntt.co.jp (view raw or flat)
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Hi,

I don't insist the name and the default of the GUC parameter.  I'm 
afraid wal_fullpage_optimization = on (default) makes some confusion 
because the default behavior becomes a bit different on WAL itself.

I'd like to have some more opinion on this.

Zeugswetter Andreas ADI SD wrote:
>> With DBT-2 benchmark, I've already compared the amount of WAL.   The 
>> result was as follows:
>>
>> Amount of WAL after 60min. run of DBT-2 benchmark 
>> wal_add_optimization_info = off (default) 3.13GB
> 
> how about wal_fullpage_optimization = on (default)
>  
>> wal_add_optimization_info = on (new case) 3.17GB -> can be 
>> optimized to 0.31GB by pg_compresslog.
>>
>> So the difference will be around a couple of percents.   I think this
> is 
>> very good figure.
>>
>> For information,
>> DB Size: 12.35GB (120WH)
>> Checkpoint timeout: 60min.  Checkpoint occured only once in the run.
> 
> Unfortunately I think DBT-2 is not a good benchmark to test the disabled
> wal optimization.
> The test should contain some larger rows (maybe some updates on large
> toasted values), and maybe more frequent checkpoints. Actually the poor
> ratio between full pages and normal WAL content in this benchmark is
> strange to begin with.
> Tom fixed a bug recently, and it would be nice to see the new ratio. 
> 
> Have you read Tom's comment on not really having to be able to
> reconstruct all record types from the full page image ? I think that
> sounded very promising (e.g. start out with only heap insert/update). 
> 
> Then:
> - we would not need the wal optimization switch (the full page flag
> would always be added depending only on backup)
> - pg_compresslog would only remove such "full page" images where it
> knows how to reconstruct a "normal" WAL record from
> - with time and effort pg_compresslog would be able to compress [nearly]
> all record types's full images (no change in backend)
> 
>> I don't think replacing LSN works fine.  For full recovery to 
>> the current time, we need both archive log and WAL.  
>> Replacing LSN will make archive log LSN inconsistent with 
>> WAL's LSN and the recovery will not work.
> 
> WAL recovery would have had to be modified (decouple LSN from WAL
> position during recovery).
> An "archive log" would have been a valid WAL (with appropriate LSN
> advance records). 
>  
>> Reconstruction to regular WAL is proposed as 
>> pg_decompresslog.  We should be careful enough not to make 
>> redo routines confused with the dummy full page writes, as 
>> Simon suggested.  So far, it works fine.
> 
> Yes, Tom didn't like "LSN replacing" eighter. I withdraw my concern
> regarding pg_decompresslog.
> 
> Your work in this area is extremely valuable and I hope my comments are
> not discouraging.
> 
> Thank you
> Andreas
> 


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Koichi Suzuki

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