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Re: Is there a way to run heap_insert() AFTER ExecInsertIndexTuples() ?

From: Zoltan Boszormenyi <zboszor(at)dunaweb(dot)hu>
To: "Florian G(dot) Pflug" <fgp(at)phlo(dot)org>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Is there a way to run heap_insert() AFTER ExecInsertIndexTuples() ?
Date: 2007-03-01 10:51:39
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Zoltan Boszormenyi írta:
> Florian G. Pflug írta:
>> Zoltan Boszormenyi wrote:
>>> The GENERATED column is an easy of use feature
>>> with possibly having less work, whereas the IDENTITY
>>> column is mandatory for some applications (e.g. accounting
>>> and billing is stricter in some countries) where you simply
>>> cannot skip a value in the sequence, the strict monotonity is
>>> not enough.
>>
>> But just postponing nextval() until after the uniqueness checks
>> only decreases the *probability* of non-monotonic values, and
>> *does not* preven them. Consindert two transactions
>>
>> A: begin ;
>> B: Begin ;
>> A: insert ... -- IDENTITY generates value 1
>> B: insert .. -- IDENTITY generates value 2
>> A: rollback ;
>> B: commit ;
>
> I can understand that. But your example is faulty,
> you can't have transaction inside a transaction.
> Checkpoints are another story. 8-)
>
> You can have some application tricks to
> have continous sequence today with regular
> serials but only if don't have a unique index
> that doesn't use the serial column. Inserting
> a record to that table outside the transaction,
> making note of the serial value.
>
> If subsequent processing fails (because of unique,
> check constraint, etc) you have to go back to the main
> table and modify the record, indicating that the record
> isn't representing valid data. But you must keep it with
> the serial value it was assigned. I have seen systems
> requiring this. My point is that with the identity
> column, you will be able to define unique index
> on the table that exludes the identity column.
>
>> Now there is a record with IDENTITY 2, but not with 1. The *only*
>> way to fix this is to *not* use a sequence, but rather do
>> lock table t in exclusive mode ;
>> select max(identity)+1 from t ;
>> to generate the identity - but of course this prevents any concurrent
>> inserts, which will make this unuseable for any larger database.
>>
>> Note that this is not a deficency of postgres sequences - there is no
>> way to guarantee stricly monotonic values while allowing concurrent
>> selects at the same time. (Other than lazyly assigning the values, but
>> this needs to be done by the application)
>
> Agreed.
>
>> I agree that I'd be nice to generate the identity columns as late as
>> possible to prevents needless gaps, but not if price is a for more
>> intrusive patch, or much higher complexity.
>
> Intrusive, hm? The catalog have to indicate that the column
> is IDENTITY, otherwise you cannot know it.
>
> The cost I am thinking now is an extra heap_update()
> after heap_insert() without generating the identity value
> and inserting index tuples to indexes that doesn't
> contain the identity column.

And as far as I tested the current state, there is no cost
if you don't use GENERATED or IDENTITY.
The extra heap_update() would be performed only
if you have an IDENTITY colum.

> Best regards,
> Zoltán Böszörményi
>
>


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