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Re: Certification Available +Pronounce

From: Robert Cleary <robert(dot)cleary(at)ul(dot)ie>
To: pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org
Cc: David Fetter <david(at)fetter(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Certification Available +Pronounce
Date: 2005-10-04 16:12:08
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David Fetter wrote:

>On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 04:51:01PM +0100, Robert Cleary wrote:
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>>David Fetter wrote:
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>>>On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 11:39:30AM +0100, Robert Cleary wrote:
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>>>>1) Is there a PostgreSQL equivalent certification to the MySQL
>>>>Core Certification (btw drawn #8 in certcites.com hottest 05
>>>>certifications list)
>>>>http://certcities.com/editorial/features/print.asp?EditorialsID=86,
>>>>If not, maybe this could be another target to increase pg's
>>>>popularity?
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>>>>
>>>I'm not sure I understand this question.  Could you explain what
>>>purposes and whose interests such a certification, if it existed,
>>>would serve?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>D
>>>
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>>Well, if those completely-new to databases - see, that outside of
>>Microsoft Access, SQL Server, and Oracle - MySQL is the most widely
>>downloaded _open-source_ solution
>>(http://www.mysql.com/why-mysql/marketshare/); and also, that, by
>>learning to become proficient in this, they can also get a
>>certification (recognised by managers etc.) - then, why not become a
>>mysql guru.
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>If this certification makes a person a "MySQL guru," that's great for
>MySQL AB, the corporation, especially in meeting their fiduciary
>responsibility to their shareholders.
>
>However, in my experience, there is, if anything, a fairly strong
>*negative* correllation between actual skills and acquiring
>certifications.  It is far from obvious to me that stamping out a
>bunch of "Certified PostgreSQL Professionals" would do any good to
>PostgreSQL project, however profitable it might be to the certifying
>authority.
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>>My point being, that with the latest developments with pgsql, and
>>the media awareness EnterpriseDB has brought by winning the
>>SanFrancisco LinuxWorld 05 Best-Database-Solution award, people will
>>begin to become aware of pgsql, as a more advanced  open-source
>>solution with  all the readily seen  advantages thereof.
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>Those marketing advantages can quite quickly vanish, or even go
>turn into a liability, should a cadre of incompetents brandishing
>certificates appear.
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>>Now, if I can also get certified in that, then why not go for pgsql
>>instead.
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>See above.
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>>The more DB beginners going for pgsql the better for it's future,
>>no?
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>Not when those beginners are labeled "professionals."
>
>Cheers,
>D
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Fair-point!, the only reason I came to this query - is that i'm 
currently looking up proffessional certifications at work; there is also 
mixed opinions about  certifications for most other IT areas.

I agree with you, a certification doesn't tell much - experience is 
allways the telling-point someones ability; but when you hear that some 
one is CISCO certified proffessional, or Sun Certified Java programmer, 
or Red Hat Certified Engineer for example - a certain air of respect 
carries with these titles.

I'm of the opinion, that good certifications are  worth while, and 
provide a foundation on which quality of design - and work - results 
etc., but then certain-people have this ability naturaly, by interest 
and dedication.

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