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Re: [HACKERS] Instrumenting and Logging in JDBC

From: Barry Lind <barry(at)xythos(dot)com>
To: pgsql-jdbc(at)postgresql(dot)org
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Instrumenting and Logging in JDBC
Date: 2001-06-25 15:43:36
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Barry Lind wrote:

> Bruce,
> 
> I agree that log4j is probably overkill.  I also understand the need for 
> better logging.  I have been fortunate that I can run through a debugger 
> so that I have been able to track down any problems I have had when the 
> server sql statment log isn't sufficient.
> 
> The one good thing about postgresql (unlike other databases I use) is 
> that at least you have access to the source code so that you can add 
> prints as needed.
> 
> 
> thanks,
> --Barry
> 
> 
> Bruce Toback wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 09:49 PM, Barry Lind wrote:
>>
>>> First I would ask what kind of logging you are talking about?  I find 
>>> that simply turning on debug output on the server to print out the 
>>> sql statements being executed is generally all I need for logging, 
>>> and the server already supports that.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem is that the SQL sent to the backend is sometimes the end 
>> product of a lot of interaction between the JDBC driver and the client 
>> program. This is frequently the case with general-purpose programs 
>> like report writers and application servers.
>>
>> If the generated SQL is bad, or if the data the client program 
>> receives back is bad, it's necessary to figure out exactly what the 
>> client program is doing in order to solve the problem. For example, 
>> the client may use some kinds of row metadata and not others, or may 
>> be using an unusual sequence of calls to place data into a 
>> PreparedStatement. Logging is the only way to figure out what the 
>> client is doing if you don't have the client source.
>>
>>> While logging is a good idea, having yet another non-postgresql 
>>> component that needs to be installed in order to build and/or run the 
>>> jdbc driver is in my opionion a bad idea.  I already dislike the fact 
>>> that I have to install ant just to build the driver.  It was so much 
>>> easier under 7.0 when make was all that was required.
>>
>>
>>
>> Agreed -- especially given what it takes to get a Java program to 
>> work, since there are no standards for where the various components 
>> should live. Making ant work wasn't a pleasant experience: it took 
>> more effort to build the 7.1 JDBC driver alone than to build the 
>> entire 7.0 Postgres suite.
>>
>> On the other hand, logging *is* useful in making sure that the JDBC 
>> driver works with the widest possible variety of client software, 
>> including all kinds of proprietary middleware products. If the logging 
>> is set up so that log4j is loaded dynamically, would that be a 
>> satisfactory solution to the build problem?
>>
>> Actually, given the purpose for including logging, log4j is probably 
>> more than what's required to do the job -- essentially just tracing 
>> client call activity.
>>
>> -- Bruce
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>> Bruce Toback    Tel: (602) 996-8601| My candle burns at both ends;
>> OPT, Inc.            (800) 858-4507| It will not last the night;
>> 11801 N. Tatum Blvd. Ste. 142      | But ah, my foes, and oh, my 
>> friends -
>> Phoenix AZ 85028                   | It gives a lovely light.
>> btoback(at)optc(dot)com                   |     -- Edna St. Vincent Millay
>>
> 
> 



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