I agree that log4j is probably overkill. I also understand the need for
better logging. I have been fortunate that I can run through a debugger
so that I have been able to track down any problems I have had when the
server sql statment log isn't sufficient.
The one good thing about postgresql (unlike other databases I use) is
that at least you have access to the source code so that you can add
prints as needed.
Bruce Toback wrote:
> On Sunday, June 24, 2001, at 09:49 PM, Barry Lind wrote:
>> First I would ask what kind of logging you are talking about? I find
>> that simply turning on debug output on the server to print out the sql
>> statements being executed is generally all I need for logging, and the
>> server already supports that.
> The problem is that the SQL sent to the backend is sometimes the end
> product of a lot of interaction between the JDBC driver and the client
> program. This is frequently the case with general-purpose programs like
> report writers and application servers.
> If the generated SQL is bad, or if the data the client program receives
> back is bad, it's necessary to figure out exactly what the client
> program is doing in order to solve the problem. For example, the client
> may use some kinds of row metadata and not others, or may be using an
> unusual sequence of calls to place data into a PreparedStatement.
> Logging is the only way to figure out what the client is doing if you
> don't have the client source.
>> While logging is a good idea, having yet another non-postgresql
>> component that needs to be installed in order to build and/or run the
>> jdbc driver is in my opionion a bad idea. I already dislike the fact
>> that I have to install ant just to build the driver. It was so much
>> easier under 7.0 when make was all that was required.
> Agreed -- especially given what it takes to get a Java program to work,
> since there are no standards for where the various components should
> live. Making ant work wasn't a pleasant experience: it took more effort
> to build the 7.1 JDBC driver alone than to build the entire 7.0 Postgres
> On the other hand, logging *is* useful in making sure that the JDBC
> driver works with the widest possible variety of client software,
> including all kinds of proprietary middleware products. If the logging
> is set up so that log4j is loaded dynamically, would that be a
> satisfactory solution to the build problem?
> Actually, given the purpose for including logging, log4j is probably
> more than what's required to do the job -- essentially just tracing
> client call activity.
> -- Bruce
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