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Re: PHP/Postgresql Advocacy

From: David Costa <geeks(at)dotgeek(dot)org>
To: Alexey Borzov <borz_off(at)cs(dot)msu(dot)su>
Cc: pgsql-advocacy(at)postgresql(dot)org,"Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>,"Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
Subject: Re: PHP/Postgresql Advocacy
Date: 2004-02-14 21:31:41
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On Feb 14, 2004, at 10:14 PM, Alexey Borzov wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am well aware my English can be bad, but not *that* bad. It is IMHO 
> impossible to understand my messages in such a way, unless one really 
> *wants* to. :[
>
> Marc, with all due respect:
> 1) Please provide a link to the thread where I wanted full CVS access 
> because of my superior mock up.
> 2) Please provide a link to where I "told everyone they were doing it 
> all wrong, and that his way was better ..."
> 3) Are personal insults the preferred method of discussion in 
> PostgreSQL community?
>

Oh no, now we are "show me where..." stage...

Ehi look how much time is going wasted in this discussion.

Marc summarized your previous posts on the www list where the tone was 
all but cordial.

For one, saying that the current website is an "abomination" was 
offensive to the volunteers who did
this in their own available spare time. You know that. But let's move 
on, we are all wasting time with arguments.

You are a good developer. Don't let your manners jeopardize the whole 
effort which is very welcome.
As you can see 
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2004-02/msg00081.php things 
are moving so, what's the issue?

Cheers
David COsta

>
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>>>> and that it does *need* to be fixed ... hell, everyone on the list 
>>>> even
>>>> welcomes Alexey's input and work towards fixing it ... what nobody 
>>>> is
>>>> welcoming is his "do it my way or no way" attitude ...
>>>
>>> I guess I didn't get that from his posts. I just got that he is 
>>> frustrated
>>> because he is passionate about PostgreSQL but it seems that the 
>>> website
>>> and web community around it is so difficult to deal with.
>> You must have missed his original thread then, when he vehemently(sp?)
>> argued that we should give him full CVS access to change the web site
>> because the mock up he showed us of what he wanted to do was sooooo 
>> vastly
>> superior to what is there now ...
>>> I actually don't know if the web community is difficult to deal with 
>>> so
>>> I can speak to that.
>> They aren't ... there is a mailing list setup for discussing the 
>> technical
>> www issues ... it is a fairly large list, but it isn't an open list 
>> (ie.
>> subscriptions are mooerated to the extent of 'you want to be on it, 
>> let
>> Dave know and he'll add you' ... basically, if you are interested 
>> enough
>> in being a part of it to ask to be apart of it, you'll get added ... 
>> we
>> have no 'full time, that is all they do, web developer', everything is
>> like -hackesr ... a volunteer group that does what they can, when 
>> they can
>> ...
>> Alexey came along from the start with "give me the reins and I'll fix 
>> all
>> the problems" ... and even that wouldn't been so bad, except he came 
>> out
>> of no where, told everyone they were doing it all wrong, and that his 
>> way
>> was better ...
>> That put the hackles up on everyones necks who have been spending 
>> their
>> spare time trying to clean up the web sites and improve them ...
>> Nobody has once stated that Alexey doesn't have anything to 
>> contribute ...
>> and alot of effort has been made by several to 'steer him' into the
>> sequence of steps that has been determined need to be done to improve
>> things ... but, I know in my case at least, any positive benefits 
>> Alexey
>> can bring to the community are being heavily negated by his temper
>> tantrums ...
>> So, do we think Alexey has something to contribute?  Yes, definitely 
>> ...
>>> Sure... but to some degree he is right.
>> Guess it depends on how you parent ... my 2 year old throws temper
>> tantrums ... we put her on the floor and let her yell her lungs out 
>> until
>> she decides that she's just not makign as much headway as she could be
>> making ...
>> Alexey, right now, is about in the same league ... he could get alot 
>> more
>> done, faster, if we didn't have to wait out his temper tantrums ...
>
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