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Re: Global Deadlock Information

From: "Satoshi Nagayasu" <satoshi(dot)nagayasu(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: "Koichi Suzuki" <koichi(dot)clarinet(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: "Markus Wanner" <markus(at)bluegap(dot)ch>,pgsql-cluster-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Global Deadlock Information
Date: 2010-02-06 17:17:16
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It was just an experimental or the PoC (proof-of-concept) implementation only in a few nodes,
so I don't have any performance evaluation results.

-----Original Message-----
From: Koichi Suzuki <koichi(dot)clarinet(at)gmail(dot)com>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 02:09:49 
To: <satoshi(dot)nagayasu(at)gmail(dot)com>
Cc: Markus Wanner<markus(at)bluegap(dot)ch>; <pgsql-cluster-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: [pgsql-cluster-hackers] Global Deadlock Information

I mean how long will it take to collect all the wait-for graphs from
all the cluster members.    If you have an experience or evaluation,
it's very helpful.

----------
Koichi Suzuki



2010年2月7日1:51 Satoshi Nagayasu <satoshi(dot)nagayasu(at)gmail(dot)com>:
> I don't think something special/extra required for the global wait-for graph logging,
> because each sub-transaction should be processed (and recovered) as a local transaction on the each RM (Resource Manager)
> under the distributed transaction environment.
>
> A running transaction is not prepared/commited,
> so no more special/extra record is needed when a local transaction is aborted.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Koichi Suzuki <koichi(dot)szk(at)gmail(dot)com>
> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:23:36
> To: Satoshi Nagayasu<satoshi(dot)nagayasu(at)gmail(dot)com>
> Cc: Markus Wanner<markus(at)bluegap(dot)ch>; <pgsql-cluster-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
> Subject: Re: [pgsql-cluster-hackers] Global Deadlock Information
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm very interested in how log it takes to determine the global
> deadlock using global wait-for graph and if global deadlock detection
> disturb other on-going transactions.
>
> ----------
> Koichi Suzuki
>
>
>
> 2010/2/7 Satoshi Nagayasu <satoshi(dot)nagayasu(at)gmail(dot)com>:
>> Hi Markus,
>>
>> I attempted in two ways to resolve global deadlock situation
>> in the PostgresForest development.
>>
>> (1) Use the lock_timeout to avoid from a global deadlock.
>>
>> The lock_timeout feature is a very simple way to avoid
>> from the global deadlock situation.
>>
>> I disagree "statement_timeout is the way to avoid global
>> deadlocks" too, because the statement_timeout kills
>> the healthy/long-running transaction by its timeout.
>>
>> Some developers (including me!) proposed the lock_timeout
>> GUC option.
>>
>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2004-06/msg00935.php
>> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-01/msg01167.php
>>
>> I still believe the "lock timeout" feature could help
>> resolving a global deadlock in the cluster environment.
>>
>> (2) Use the global wait-for graph to detect a global deadlock.
>>
>> I had an experimental implemetation to use the global wait-for
>> graph to prevent the global deadlock.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlock#Distributed_deadlock
>>
>> I used the node(server) identifiers and the pg_locks information
>> to build the global wait-for graph, and the kill signal
>> (or pg_cancel()?) to abort a victim transaction causing
>> the deadlock.
>>
>> I don't think the callback function is needed to replace
>> the current deadlock resolution feature,
>> but I agree we need a consensus how we could avoid
>> the global deadlock situation in the cluster.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On 2010/02/06 18:13, Markus Wanner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to start a thread for discussion of the second item on the
>>> ClusterFeatures [1] list: Global Deadlock Information.
>>>
>>> IIRC there are two aspects to this item: a) the plain notification of a
>>> deadlock and b) some way to control or intercept deadlock resolution.
>>>
>>> The problem this item seems to address is the potential for deadlocks
>>> between transactions on different nodes. Or put another way: between a
>>> local transaction and one that's to be applied from a remote node (or
>>> even between two remote ones - similar issue, though). To ensure
>>> congruency between nodes, they must take the same measures to resolve
>>> the deadlock, i.e. abort the same transaction(s).
>>>
>>> I certainly disagree with the statement on the wiki that the
>>> "statement_timeout is the way to avoid global deadlocks", because I
>>> don't want to have to wait that long until a deadlock gets resolved.
>>> Further it doesn't even guarantee congruency, depending on the
>>> implementation of your clustering solution.
>>>
>>> I fail to see how a plain notification API would help much. After all,
>>> this could result in one node notifying having aborted transaction A to
>>> resolve a deadlock while another node notifies having aborted
>>> transaction B. You'd end up having to abort two (or more) transaction
>>> instead of just one to resolve a conflict.
>>>
>>> It could get more useful, if enabling such a notification would turn off
>>> the existing deadlock resolver and leave the resolution of the deadlock
>>> to the clustering solution. I'd call that an interception.
>>>
>>> Such an interception API should IMO provide a way to register a
>>> callback, which replaces the current deadlock resolver. Upon detection
>>> of a deadlock, the callback should get a list of transaction ids that
>>> are part of the lock cycle. It's then up to that callback, to chose one
>>> and abort that to resolve the conflict.
>>>
>>> And now, Greg's List:
>>> > 1) What feature does this help add from a user perspective?
>>>
>>> Preventing cluster-wide deadlocks (while maintaining congruency of
>>> replicas).
>>>
>>> > 2) Which replication projects would be expected to see an improvement
>>> > from this addition?
>>>
>>> I suspect all multi-master solutions are affected, certainly Postgres-R
>>> would benefit. Single-master ones certainly don't need it.
>>>
>>> > 3) What makes it difficult to implement?
>>>
>>> I don't see any real stumbling block. Deciding on an API needs consensus.
>>>
>>> > 4) Are there any other items on the list this depends on, or that it
>>> > is expected to have a significant positive/negative interaction with?
>>>
>>> Not that I know of.
>>>
>>> > 5) What replication projects include a feature like this already, or a
>>> > prototype of a similar one, that might be used as a proof of concept
>>> > or example implementation?
>>>
>>> Old Postgres-R versions once had such an interception, but it currently
>>> lacks a solution for this problem. I don't know of any other project
>>> that's already solved this.
>>>
>>> > 6) Who is already working on it/planning to work on it/needs it for
>>> > their related project?
>>>
>>> I'm not currently working on it and don't plan to do so (at least) until
>>> PgCon 2010.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cluster hackers, is this a good summary which covers your needs as well?
>>> Something missing?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Markus Wanner
>>>
>>> [1]: feature wish list of cluster hackers:
>>> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/ClusterFeatures
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> NAGAYASU Satoshi <satoshi(dot)nagayasu(at)gmail(dot)com>
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