From:
Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To:
jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com
Cc:
Cédric Villemain <cedric(dot)villemain(dot)debian(at)gmail(dot)com>, Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>, Susanne Ebrecht <miracee(at)web(dot)de>, pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject:
Re: criticism about hosting download packages
Date:
2011-02-23 23:31:59
Message-ID:
201102232331.p1NNVxn03823@momjian.us (view raw or flat )
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2011-02-22 08:44:13 from Susanne Ebrecht <miracee(at)web(dot)de>
2011-02-22 09:29:51 from Cédric Villemain <cedric(dot)villemain(dot)debian(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-02-22 12:16:21 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
2011-02-22 13:09:39 from Cédric Villemain <cedric(dot)villemain(dot)debian(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-02-22 19:17:56 from "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-02-22 19:44:57 from Cédric Villemain <cedric(dot)villemain(dot)debian(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-02-22 19:53:07 from "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-02-23 11:01:31 from Susanne Ebrecht <miracee(at)web(dot)de>
2011-02-23 11:05:15 from Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>
2011-02-23 18:15:40 from "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-02-23 23:33:19 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-02-24 22:26:38 from PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres(at)cybertec(dot)at>
2011-02-24 23:14:37 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-02-24 23:20:35 from "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-02-24 23:28:20 from Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>
2011-02-25 07:13:29 from Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim(at)gunduz(dot)org>
2011-02-25 07:37:10 from Guillaume Lelarge <guillaume(at)lelarge(dot)info>
2011-02-25 08:04:50 from Rob Wultsch <wultsch(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-02-26 04:11:56 from "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg(at)turnstep(dot)com>
2011-02-26 05:37:30 from Mike Ellsworth <younicycle(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-02-26 21:35:12 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-02-26 21:39:52 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-02-26 21:41:10 from Selena Deckelmann <selena(at)chesnok(dot)com>
2011-02-26 21:46:41 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-02-26 21:51:20 from Selena Deckelmann <selena(at)chesnok(dot)com>
2011-02-26 21:54:27 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-02-26 22:01:01 from Selena Deckelmann <selena(at)chesnok(dot)com>
2011-02-27 20:36:15 from Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
2011-02-27 21:55:52 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-02-27 08:45:02 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-02-28 19:58:57 from damien clochard <damien(at)dalibo(dot)info>
2011-02-28 20:02:21 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-03-01 06:39:35 from silly sad <sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru>
2011-03-01 07:23:28 from Thom Brown <thom(at)linux(dot)com>
2011-03-01 11:46:26 from Florian Weimer <fweimer(at)bfk(dot)de>
2011-03-01 13:15:46 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-03-02 13:35:59 from sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru
2011-03-02 14:08:06 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-03-02 00:36:36 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-03-02 13:23:53 from sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru
2011-03-02 14:07:28 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-03-03 11:01:21 from silly sad <sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru>
2011-03-10 16:01:57 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-03-10 16:45:44 from silly sad <sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru>
2011-03-10 16:45:02 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-03-10 16:53:55 from silly sad <sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru>
2011-03-10 17:07:09 from Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-03-10 17:15:34 from silly sad <sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru>
2011-03-10 17:48:46 from Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-03-10 17:57:48 from silly sad <sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru>
2011-03-10 17:52:47 from Adrian Klaver <adrian(dot)klaver(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-03-11 07:04:08 from silly sad <sad(at)bestmx(dot)ru>
2011-03-10 18:07:46 from "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg(at)turnstep(dot)com>
2011-03-02 03:55:53 from "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg(at)turnstep(dot)com>
2011-03-02 05:02:53 from Robert Treat <rob(at)xzilla(dot)net>
2011-03-10 16:00:03 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-03-02 16:25:23 from Grant Slater <postgresql(at)firefishy(dot)com>
2011-03-02 16:36:00 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
2011-03-03 17:58:44 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-03-04 03:23:07 from "Greg Sabino Mullane" <greg(at)turnstep(dot)com>
2011-02-25 02:57:17 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-02-25 09:23:25 from Susanne Ebrecht <miracee(at)web(dot)de>
2011-02-25 09:45:18 from Devrim GÜNDÜZ <devrim(at)gunduz(dot)org>
2011-02-25 09:47:50 from Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>
2011-02-25 10:13:23 from Thom Brown <thom(at)linux(dot)com>
2011-02-25 13:59:01 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-02-25 06:58:00 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-02-25 09:09:59 from damien clochard <damien(at)dalibo(dot)info>
2011-02-23 23:31:59 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-02-24 22:27:46 from PostgreSQL - Hans-Jürgen Schönig <postgres(at)cybertec(dot)at>
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Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 20:44 +0100, C?dric Villemain wrote:
> > 2011/2/22 Joshua D. Drake <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>:
> > >
> > >> >> Yes it is. It has already been reported and I believe it won't change
> > >> >> on the EDB side :-( (not to say that EDB was known to do that and get
> > >> >> some unfortunate glitchs in the past)
> > >> >> In our side, we can review the dowload area and add explanations for
> > >> >> third parties packages ?
> > >>
> > >> Rah, sorry, it was supposed to be a dot not a question-mark.
> > >
> > > The only way the EDB page will not be prominent is if the community
> > > starts maintaining its own one-click packages that provide the same
> > > level of functionality. Nobody has offered to put that effort in.
> >
> > I am happy that EDB maintain those packages. It is great and benefit
> > to lot of PostgreSQL users.
> > The issue is not with EDB page being prominent but with the bad taste
> > of the registration form which lead users to confusion.
>
> Right but that isn't our concern. EDB should and can do whatever they
> wish with that download page. It is up to the community to decide
> whether or not how they handle it is reasonable.
Yes, that is correct. The community can accept what EDB has on that
page or the community can stop linking to the EDB download site. The
point is that the community does have a choice.
FYI, the community, through Dave Page and Magnus, used to create
click-through installers for Windows, but the EDB installers are better
and don't require as much work for the community to produce, and they
work on many non-Windows operating systems, and EDB tests and does tech
support for those downloads.
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