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Re: PostgreSQL Europe statutes : recap

From: Koen Martens <gmc(at)sonologic(dot)nl>
To: "Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <ads(at)pgug(dot)de>
Cc: damien clochard <damien(at)dalibo(dot)info>, pgeu-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL Europe statutes : recap
Date: 2008-01-23 09:53:25
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On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 06:03:17PM +0100, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 05:53:56AM +0100, damien clochard wrote:
> > 3- Quorum ?
> >     a : Keep the statutes as they are
> >     b : Lower the quorum
> >     c : Drop the quorum
> 
> Having a quorum is a nice thing, especially if you discuss and decide 
> "hot" topics. In this case a quorum makes sense. For everything else we 
> have the fallback with a second meeting without quorum.
> So why dropping or lowering he quorum?

Because it is very likely that you don't get a quorum _ever_ on GA's. As
explained, I expect that you will have such a second GA where the quorum
is dropped most of the times anyway, so it is more practical to drop it.

Obviously, for 'hot' topics ('shall we dismantle') the quorum should be
there, yes.

Again, it is just my experience with how these kind of international
organisations work out in reality. Maybe PGEU is different, and you will
have all those members show up at the GA. I really doubt it though.

> > 4- Takeover protection ?
> >     a : Keep statutes as they are
> >     b : Add more criterium for the member to satisfy
> 
> As long as only people from EU can "take over", i don't care much. From
> germany i know, that the member base in an association can be replaced
> in 2 or 3 years. People join and leave or just join and never leave and 
> new people come and do the work.

Letting my fantasy go here: it could also be, say, oracle that wants to
frustrate the postgresql eu activities and thus enlists all its
employeees to sign up right before a GA where something crucial is going
to be decided and force the vote.

Do we care about such a scenario? However unlikely it may be, things
like this can happen.

> > 5- Companies : sponsors or members ?
> >     a : Keep the statutes as they are
> >     b : Companies are sponsors   
> 
> Companies are not members, companies are sponsors. Companies can send
> individuals to be a member in the group ... as long as this individuals
> are from europe ;-)

Agreed, apart from the 'from europe' bit maybe, although i don't feel
strongly about that.

Gr,

Koen

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