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Re: majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?

From: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
Cc: pgsql-general <pgsql-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: majordomo unmaintained, postmaster emails ignored?
Date: 2006-02-27 20:32:55
Message-ID: 20060227163218.F1005@ganymede.hub.org (view raw or flat)
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Lists: pgsql-general
Can you try something more recent then "last year"?

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:

> # scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org / 2006-02-26 19:01:58 -0400:
>> 'k, I just checked all the lists you listed, and you are subscribed to
>> each of them ... are you not receiving messages?
>
>    I'm not receiving messages because I'm subscribed with nomail.
>    That's not the problem however. I want to receive the list traffic
>    to a different set of addresses, and that stalled ("the request must
>    be approved by the moderators"), as well as my attempts to gain
>    pgsql-docs-owner@'s and postmaster@'s attention.
>
>    Does anyone read mail for the pgsql-<list>-owner@ and postmaster@
>    aliases? Does anyone pay attention to the approval queue?
>
>    Anyway, here's a few snippets from my last year's email
>    conversations with majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org(dot)
>
>    My subscription requests:
>
>    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:17:37 +0200
>    : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
>    : To: majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
>    :
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-docs noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-hack#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-performance noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-perf#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-sql noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-sql#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-docs nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-general nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-hackers nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-performance nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : subscribe-set pgsql-sql nomail neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>
>    Majordomo replied with the usual batch of CONFIRM messages, one of
>    which was:
>
>    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:17:39 -0300
>    : From: pgsql-general-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
>    : To: neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : Subject: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
>    :
>    : __
>    : The following request
>    :
>    :   "subscribe-set pgsql-general noprefix neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz"
>    :
>    : was sent to
>    : by Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>.
>    :
>    : To accept or reject this request, please do one of the following:
>    :
>    : 1. If you have web browsing capability, visit
>    :    <http://mail.postgresql.org/mj/mj_confirm/domain=postgresql.org?t=CA86-08AC-51A7>
>    :    and follow the instructions there.
>    :
>    : 2. Reply to majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
>    :    with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
>    :
>    :     accept
>    :     reject
>    :
>    :    (The number CA86-08AC-51A7 must be in the Subject header)
>    :
>    : 3. Reply to majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
>    :    with one of the following two commands in the body of the message:
>    :
>    :     accept CA86-08AC-51A7
>    :     reject CA86-08AC-51A7
>    :
>    : Your confirmation is required for the following reason(s):
>    :
>    :   Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz> issued a command
>    :   that affects another address (neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz).
>    :
>    :
>    : If you do not respond within 4 days, a reminder will be sent.
>    :
>    : If you do not respond within 7 days, this token will expire,
>    : and the request will not be completed.
>    :
>    : If you would like to communicate with a person,
>    : send mail to pgsql-general-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org(dot)
>
>    I replied to that with:
>
>    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:37:28 +0200
>    : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
>    : To: majordomo(at)postgresql(dot)org
>    : Subject: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-general (subscribe)
>    :
>    : accept
>
>    To which majordomo said:
>
>    : Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:37:29 -0300
>    : From: majordomo-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
>    : To: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser+pgsql-general#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
>    : Subject: Majordomo results: Re: CA86-08AC-51A7 : CONFIRM from pgsql-
>    :
>    :
>    : >>>> accept
>    : ---- The accept command for token CA86-08AC-51A7 succeeded,
>    : ---- but further approval is needed.
>    : ----
>    : ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
>    : ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
>    : ----
>    : ----
>    :
>    : Valid commands processed: 1
>    : 0 succeeded, 1 stalled, and 0 failed.
>    :
>    :
>    : Use the following command:
>    :   sessioninfo 12bbdbfc049f53e9c1782cc9c10c6310e23e504f
>    : to see technical information about this session.
>
>    And that was the end of the conversation, I'm still waiting for a
>    reply to my message to postmaster@ from December, and another one to
>    pgsql-docs-owner@ from last August (covering the same problem):
>
>    : Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:40:15 +0200
>    : From: Roman Neuhauser <neuhauser(at)sigpipe(dot)cz>
>    : To: pgsql-docs-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
>    : Subject: majordomo command processing problems?
>    :
>    : Hello,
>    :
>    : I tried to subscribe to pgsql-docs seven days ago:
>    :
>    : >>>> subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : ---- The subscribe command did not succeed.
>    : ----
>    : ---- The request
>    : ----   "subscribe pgsql-docs neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz"
>    : ---- must be confirmed by
>    : ----   neuhauser+pgsql-docs#postgresql(dot)org(at)sigpipe(dot)cz
>    : ---- and approved by the moderators.  Confirmation instructions have been
>    : ---- mailed in a separate message.
>    :
>    : And then:
>    :
>    : >>>> accept 9E0C-7AF7-36CA
>    : ---- The accept command for token 9E0C-7AF7-36CA succeeded,
>    : ---- but further approval is needed.
>    : ----
>    : ---- Now the request must be approved by the moderators.
>    : ---- The results will be mailed to you after this is done.
>    :
>    : Can you please expedite the approval a bit? (Do you really approve all
>    : subscriptions by hand, or was my subscription attempt somehow
>    : "suspicious"?)
>
>    Is this a bug in majordomo, or in the postgresql.org setup?
>
>    Similarly, should I expect my possible future emails to the owner
>    and postmaster aliases to generate zero replies as well?
>
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
>>> # scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org / 2006-02-26 14:36:47 -0400:
>>>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
>>>>> I've been waiting five months for the majordomo moderators to approve
>>>>> my subscription requests to several @postgresql.org mailing lists.
>>>>
>>>> the majordomo moderators don't have to approve subscribe requests, you
>>>> will auto-receive an email message from the list confirming that you do
>>>> want to subscribe though ... its a fairly automated procedure ... if you
>>>> aren't receiving the 'confirm' messages, then there is an overall problem
>>>> with mail deliver ...
>>>>
>>>> checking pgsql-general, you are already subscribed ... what other lists
>>>> are you trying to get onto?
>>>
>>>   A copy of the message I sent to postmaster(at)postgresql(dot)org last
>>>   december is attached. I think it has all the evidence of approval
>>>   being required you need.
>
> -- 
> How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> You don't know, man.  You don't KNOW.
> Cause you weren't THERE.             http://bash.org/?255991
>

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Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: scrappy(at)hub(dot)org           Yahoo!: yscrappy              ICQ: 7615664

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