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Re: Linux Version

From: Ken Kinder <ken(at)kenkinder(dot)com>
To: Dave Page <dpage(at)vale-housing(dot)co(dot)uk>
Cc: pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Linux Version
Date: 2001-10-17 20:11:40
Message-ID: 20011017141140.A19372@kenkinder.com (view raw or flat)
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I'm sorry if offended you or your work. I am honestly having trouble
comprehending the development of a PostgreSQL GUI that isn't available
for Linux. AFIAK, from attending user groups and other mailing lists,
Postgres is used very rarely in non-Linux environments.

I do still think you should specificly state the abscence of a Linux
version on your web site and what the reasons for that are.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 08:54:54PM +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ken Kinder [mailto:ken(at)kenkinder(dot)com] 
> > Sent: 17 October 2001 17:04
> > To: pgadmin-support(at)postgresql(dot)org
> > Subject: [pgadmin-support] Linux Version
> > 
> > 
> > I'm sure this has been questioned and answered before, but 
> > your mailing list search engine is down, and it isn't on your FAQ.
> > 
> > Why isn't the development of a Linux version a higher 
> > priority than Windows? PostgreSQL itself is only for Unix, 
> 
> This is incorrect. PostgreSQL runs well on Windows NT/2000 and will also run
> on Windows 9x/ME.
> 
> > and as an Open Source database, it's absurd to have an Open 
> > Souce GUI for it that relies on a proprietary operating 
> > system that PostgreSQL users are not likely to use. 
> 
> Tell that to the thousands that have downloaded it. The original pgAdmin
> project was started in 1997 because so many people kept asking for a good
> PostgreSQL admin tool for Windows.
> 
> > Because 
> > PostgreSQL itself is _only_ available for linux and unix, it 
> > seems silly to work on Windows GUIs.
> 
> As I said, PostgreSQL is most certainly not only for *nix, and even if it
> was, many people like myself (an IT Manager running a network of around 120
> workstations and a dozen or so servers of various types across 8 sites) use
> Windows on our desktop machines through necessity. I run PostgreSQL on my
> Windows 2000 laptop for developing pgAdmin, and on Linux servers for users
> running applications on their Windows Workstations and as the backend for
> some php powered websites.
> 
> I know for a fact I'm not alone here. Whilst I would love to put Linux on
> every desktop and get rid of M$ products it's just not possible in my
> organisation and many others for numerous reasons.
> 
> > You really should address the issue of using a standard 
> > operating system on your web site.
> 
> A standard operating system like the ones supplied on probably 95% of the
> PCs sold around the world you mean?
> 
> > I don't know whether the rewrite made it better, but the fact 
> > that it isn't for Linux makes it worthless to me and most 
> > PostgreSQL users.
> 
> It may be worthless to you, but to many it is not. That is fine by me, I'm
> not forcing you to use it (though you may well miss out as I'm pretty sure
> it's now the most comprehensive PostgreSQL toolset you'll find). There are
> other tools such as pgAccess or phpPgAdmin that you could use.
> 
> Of course, you could run it under Wine like myself and one of my staff who
> both run KDE on Slackware Linux on our test boxes at work.... Oh, I'm sorry,
> did the (as yet incomplete) website/documentation not mention that pgAdmin
> runs under Wine?
> 
> And before you complain about that omission, bear in mind that I myself have
> written (in my own time) and given away around 30,000 lines of code on this
> new version of pgAdmin alone since March or so this year. I don't get paid
> for it and haven't had time to finish writing up every last possible thing
> you can do with pgAdmin.
> 
> Dave.

-- 
Ken Kinder
www.kenkinder.com

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