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Re: PostgreSQL upgraded to 8.2 but forcing index scan on query produces faster

From: "Eger, Patrick" <peger(at)automotive(dot)com>
To: "Tom Lane" <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>,"Christian Brink" <cbrink(at)r-stream(dot)com>
Cc: <pgsql-performance(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: PostgreSQL upgraded to 8.2 but forcing index scan on query produces faster
Date: 2010-03-22 23:12:07
Message-ID: 1CFD7891521AAB4E8201FB7A78C9D36F05454270@mail-001.corp.automotive.com (view raw or flat)
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Not to beat a dead horse excessively, but I think the below is a pretty
good argument for index hints? I know the general optimizer wants to be
highest priority (I very much agree with this), but I think there are
fully legitimate cases like the below. Asking the user to rewrite the
query in an unnatural way (or to change optimizer params that may work
for 99% of queries) is, IMO not a good thing. Given that the postgres
optimizer can never be perfect (as it will never have the perfect
knowledge necessary for a perfect decision), I would request that index
hints be reconsidered (for 9.0?). I know many users (myself included)
are doing this in a very rudimentary way by disabling particular access
types on a per session basis "set enable_seqscan=off; set
enable_hashjoin=off; QUERY set enable_seqscan=on; set
enable_hashjoin=on;"... I'd hack up a patch if I had the time at least
=)

Best regards, Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-performance-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org
[mailto:pgsql-performance-owner(at)postgresql(dot)org] On Behalf Of Tom Lane
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:22 PM
To: Christian Brink
Cc: pgsql-performance(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: [PERFORM] PostgreSQL upgraded to 8.2 but forcing index scan
on query produces faster 

Christian Brink <cbrink(at)r-stream(dot)com> writes:
>           ->  Nested Loop  (cost=0.01..2416.59 rows=22477 width=4) 
> (actual time=0.595..2.150 rows=225 loops=1)
>                 ->  Index Scan using sysstrings_pkey on sysstrings  
> (cost=0.00..8.27 rows=1 width=182) (actual time=0.110..0.112 rows=1
loops=1)
>                       Index Cond: (id = 'net/Console/Employee/Day End 
> Time'::text)
>                 ->  Index Scan using sales_tranzdate_index on sales s

> (cost=0.01..1846.40 rows=22477 width=12) (actual time=0.454..1.687 
> rows=225 loops=1)
>                       Index Cond: ((s.tranzdate >= ('2010-02-15'::date
+ 
> (sysstrings.data)::time without time zone)) AND (s.tranzdate < 
> ('2010-02-16'::date + (sysstrings.data)::time without time zone)))
>                       Filter: ((NOT void) AND (NOT suspended))

The fundamental reason why you're getting a bad plan choice is the
factor-of-100 estimation error here.  I'm not sure you can do a whole
lot about that without rethinking the query --- in particular I would
suggest trying to get rid of the non-constant range bounds.  You're
apparently already plugging in an external variable for the date,
so maybe you could handle the time of day similarly instead of joining
to sysstrings for it.

			regards, tom lane

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