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Re: Direct XML interfaces to optimizer and even executor?

From: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
To: Gunther Schadow <gunther(at)aurora(dot)regenstrief(dot)org>
Cc: pgsql-interfaces <pgsql-interfaces(at)postgresql(dot)org>,alex <alex(at)pilosoft(dot)com>
Subject: Re: Direct XML interfaces to optimizer and even executor?
Date: 2002-05-30 23:40:07
Message-ID: 11016.1022802007@sss.pgh.pa.us (view raw or flat)
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Gunther Schadow <gunther(at)aurora(dot)regenstrief(dot)org> writes:
> These and other issues are all nicely tweakable by SQL if you have
> static queries. But if the queries can be in zillions of combinations,
> the problem can't be solved by massaging every single SQL query.
> (And yes, the problem of n-way joins with n > 6, 7, 8, etc. is very
> much a possibility.)

If the queries vary that much, it's tough to believe that you can invent
optimal plans for them more easily than the optimizer can.

But on a more global level: sure the optimizer has shortcomings --- but
I'd rather put my development effort into fixing those shortcomings than
into designing, writing, and maintaining an API that shortcircuits the
optimizer.  The costs of having such a feature are not small IMHO.  Nor
are the costs of using it on the application side small: you'd have to
write significant code to produce plans that are both nontrivial and
better than the optimizer can do.  And then maintain it in the face of
significant version-to-version changes in the API you're using (and in
the underlying facts of what the system can do).

ISTM you have essentially waved your hands and claimed you could write
a nearly-general-purpose application-side planner that will outperform
PG's planner.  I'd rather see *you* put that effort into helping fix
PG's planner ;-)

			regards, tom lane

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