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Re: damage control mode

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
Cc: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, PostgreSQL-development <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: damage control mode
Date: 2010-01-08 17:31:47
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On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us> wrote:
> Robert Haas wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net> wrote:
>> > This strikes me as quite premature. Heiki just said he expects to have SR
>> > committed next week.
>> Getting it committed is not what I'm worried about.  What I'm
>> concerned about is Tom's statement that he believes that HS is not
>> close to being in a state where it is stable enough to go to beta, and
>> the possibility that other large patches committed during this
>> CommitFest might have similar issues.
> Looking at our existing schedule, I think it is unlikely we will even
> make a June 2010 release date for 8.5.  Let me explain why --- here is
> the ideal schedule:
>        Jan 15 start commitfest
>        Feb 15 stop commitfest
>        Apr  1 start beta
>        Jun  1 release release candidate (RC)
>        Jun 20 release 8.5
> You can't move from commitfest to beta until all _known_ bugs are
> fixed/addressed, and you can't move from beta to RC using the same
> criteria.

Hmm.  For 8.4, I don't think we actually fixed "all" known bugs - I
think we made a decision about which ones had to be fixed and which
ones we were going to push off, and then did so.

> Of course we rarely have an ideal schedule --- we should expect
> unexpected problems.  Now, I know people are going to say I am being
> over pessimistic, but history will bear out my analysis.  I think we
> should anticipate a July or August release of 8.5.

I think so, too, but I'm actually afraid that if we don't start making
some tough decisions soon it's going to be even later than that.  I'm
dismayed by the number of people who seem to think that the current
schedule is not already tight.


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