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Re: leakproof

From: Marc Munro <marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com>
To: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-22 21:29:36
Message-ID: 1329946176.9167.1528.camel@bloodnok.com (view raw)
On Wed, 2012-02-22 at 12:44 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote:

> Returning to the original point, I've come to the conclusion that
> "pure" 
> isn't the right way to go. The trouble with "leakproof" is that it 
> doesn't point to what it is that's not leaking, which is information 
> rather than memory, as many might imagine (and I did) without further 
> hints. I'm not sure any single English word would be as descriptive as
> I'd like.

As the developer of veil I feel marginally qualified to bikeshed here:
how about "silent"?  A silent function being one that will not blab.

There are also quite a few synonyms in the thesaurus for trustworthy.  I
kind of like "honorable" or "righteous" myself.

__
Marc
From: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>
To: marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-22 21:34:34
Message-ID: 4F455F6A.3060004@dunslane.net (view raw)

On 02/22/2012 04:29 PM, Marc Munro wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-02-22 at 12:44 -0400, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
>
>> Returning to the original point, I've come to the conclusion that
>> "pure"
>> isn't the right way to go. The trouble with "leakproof" is that it
>> doesn't point to what it is that's not leaking, which is information
>> rather than memory, as many might imagine (and I did) without further
>> hints. I'm not sure any single English word would be as descriptive as
>> I'd like.
> As the developer of veil I feel marginally qualified to bikeshed here:
> how about "silent"?  A silent function being one that will not blab.

I also made this suggestion later in the day.

>
> There are also quite a few synonyms in the thesaurus for trustworthy.  I
> kind of like "honorable" or "righteous" myself.
>

Let's not go there.

cheers

andrew


From: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
To: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>
Cc: marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-22 23:30:37
Message-ID: 27924.1329953437@sss.pgh.pa.us (view raw)
Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net> writes:
> On 02/22/2012 04:29 PM, Marc Munro wrote:
>> As the developer of veil I feel marginally qualified to bikeshed here:
>> how about "silent"?  A silent function being one that will not blab.

> I also made this suggestion later in the day.

SILENT isn't a bad idea.  It seems to lead the mind in the right
direction, or at least not encourage people to guess the wrong meaning.

			regards, tom lane

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-23 00:41:37
Message-ID: CA+TgmoaHStJmsL_ht60bLnfRjeT4tzMc5GEtrjR0OdFzgLxzxA@mail.gmail.com (view raw)
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
> Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net> writes:
>> On 02/22/2012 04:29 PM, Marc Munro wrote:
>>> As the developer of veil I feel marginally qualified to bikeshed here:
>>> how about "silent"?  A silent function being one that will not blab.
>
>> I also made this suggestion later in the day.
>
> SILENT isn't a bad idea.  It seems to lead the mind in the right
> direction, or at least not encourage people to guess the wrong meaning.

TACITURN.  UNLOQUACIOUS.  TIGHTLIPPED.  LACONIC.

OK, OK, I'm joking...

-- 
Robert Haas
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

From: Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com,pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>,Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>,Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>, Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-25 04:00:14
Message-ID: 20120225040014.GB27204@tornado.leadboat.com (view raw)
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 06:30:37PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net> writes:
> > On 02/22/2012 04:29 PM, Marc Munro wrote:
> >> As the developer of veil I feel marginally qualified to bikeshed here:
> >> how about "silent"?  A silent function being one that will not blab.
> 
> > I also made this suggestion later in the day.
> 
> SILENT isn't a bad idea.  It seems to lead the mind in the right
> direction, or at least not encourage people to guess the wrong meaning.

+1 for SILENT.  I also liked Kevin's suggestion of DISCREET; it comes closer
than SILENT to denoting the property in question, but it also carries a social
undertone that feels out of place in a software function declaration.

From: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
To: Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
Cc: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>, Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-26 12:53:53
Message-ID: 1330260833.32452.29.camel@vanquo.pezone.net (view raw)
On fre, 2012-02-24 at 23:00 -0500, Noah Misch wrote:
> I also liked Kevin's suggestion of DISCREET

That would probably create too much confusion with "discrete".


From: "David E(dot) Wheeler" <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>
To: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>
Cc: Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>, Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-27 18:50:46
Message-ID: 7153717B-77A6-4116-80B8-896E5298A341@justatheory.com (view raw)
On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote:

>> I also liked Kevin's suggestion of DISCREET
> 
> That would probably create too much confusion with "discrete".

SECRETE?

David


From: Pavel Stehule <pavel(dot)stehule(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: "David E(dot) Wheeler" <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>
Cc: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e(at)gmx(dot)net>, Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, marc(at)bloodnok(dot)com, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org, Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>, Jeff Janes <jeff(dot)janes(at)gmail(dot)com>, Don Baccus <dhogaza(at)pacifier(dot)com>, Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-27 18:54:28
Message-ID: CAFj8pRA=3K-kp=0NtLsocwyTNP8Shfww72R0v2xgpUHtpDOneA@mail.gmail.com (view raw)
2012/2/27 David E. Wheeler <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>:
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
>>> I also liked Kevin's suggestion of DISCREET
>>
>> That would probably create too much confusion with "discrete".
>
> SECRETE?

next one

MUTE ?

Regards

Pavel

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From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: "David E(dot) Wheeler" <david(at)justatheory(dot)com>
Cc: pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: leakproof
Date: 2012-02-27 22:49:18
Message-ID: CAFNqd5WbkYwYePww7N_qAjy0i7y_pfcZNJ9ci__NNvZK=w7snw@mail.gmail.com (view raw)
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:50 PM, David E. Wheeler <david(at)justatheory(dot)com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>
>>> I also liked Kevin's suggestion of DISCREET
>>
>> That would probably create too much confusion with "discrete".
>
> SECRETE?

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