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Re: Posix Shared Mem patch

From: Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
To: Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Posix Shared Mem patch
Date: 2012-06-27 14:20:02
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
> Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com> writes:
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us> wrote:
>>> Would Posix shmem help with that at all?  Why did you choose not to
>>> use the Posix API, anyway?
>
>> It seemed more complicated.  If we use the POSIX API, we've got to
>> have code to find a non-colliding name for the shm, and we've got to
>> arrange to clean it up at process exit.  Anonymous shm doesn't require
>> a name and goes away automatically when it's no longer in use.
>
> I see.  Those are pretty good reasons ...
>
>> With respect to EXEC_BACKEND, I wasn't proposing to kill it, just to
>> make it continue to use a full-sized sysv shm.
>
> Well, if the ultimate objective is to get out from under the SysV APIs
> entirely, we're not going to get there if we still have to have all that
> code for the EXEC_BACKEND case.  Maybe it's time to decide that we don't
> need to support EXEC_BACKEND on Unix.

I don't personally see a need to do anything that drastic at this
point.  Admittedly, I rarely compile with EXEC_BACKEND, but I don't
think it's bad to have the option available.  Adjusting shared memory
limits isn't really a big problem for PostgreSQL developers; what
we're trying to avoid is the need for PostgreSQL *users* to concern
themselves with it.  And surely anyone who is using EXEC_BACKEND on
Unix is a developer, not a user.

If and when we come up with a substitute for the nattch interlock,
then this might be worth thinking a bit harder about.  At that point,
if we still want to support EXEC_BACKEND on Unix, then we'd need the
EXEC_BACKEND case at least to use POSIX shm rather than anonymous
shared mmap.  Personally I think that would be not that hard and
probably worth doing, but there doesn't seem to be any point in
writing that code now, because for the simple case of just reducing
the amount of shm that we allocate, an anonymous mapping seems better
all around.

We shouldn't overthink this.  Our shared memory code has allocated a
bunch of crufty hacks over the years to work around various
platform-specific issues, but it's still not a lot of code, so I don't
see any reason to worry unduly about making a surgical fix without
having a master plan.  Nothing we want to do down the road will
require moving the earth.

-- 
Robert Haas
EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com
The Enterprise PostgreSQL Company

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