From:
Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
To:
Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>
Cc:
Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>, Joe Conway <mail(at)joeconway(dot)com>, Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine(at)hi-media(dot)com>, David Fetter <david(at)fetter(dot)org>, Aidan Van Dyk <aidan(at)highrise(dot)ca>, Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>, Abhijit Menon-Sen <ams(at)toroid(dot)org>, Andrew Dunstan <andrew(at)dunslane(dot)net>, Tim Bunce <Tim(dot)Bunce(at)pobox(dot)com>, pgsql-hackers <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject:
Re: mailing list archiver chewing patches
Date:
2010-02-01 14:16:44
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2010-01-11 09:46:10 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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2010-01-11 14:00:03 from Abhijit Menon-Sen <ams(at)toroid(dot)org>
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2010-01-12 04:54:03 from Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>
2010-01-12 09:05:56 from Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine(at)hi-media(dot)com>
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2010-01-12 19:56:29 from Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>
2010-01-12 20:04:27 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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2010-01-12 20:16:47 from Aidan Van Dyk <aidan(at)highrise(dot)ca>
2010-01-12 21:28:03 from Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine(at)hi-media(dot)com>
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2010-01-18 14:55:00 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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2010-01-18 17:35:07 from Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>
2010-01-18 17:44:28 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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2010-01-18 17:31:08 from Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>
2010-01-18 17:42:48 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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2010-01-19 08:44:01 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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2010-01-30 21:43:50 from Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>
2010-01-31 12:45:09 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
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2010-01-31 17:51:10 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
2010-01-30 21:14:10 from Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine(at)hi-media(dot)com>
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2010-02-01 08:06:14 from Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>
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2010-01-12 16:54:51 from Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
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2010-01-12 17:38:13 from "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2010-01-12 09:33:46 from Magnus Hagander <magnus(at)hagander(dot)net>
2010-01-11 10:18:47 from Dimitri Fontaine <dfontaine(at)hi-media(dot)com>
2010-01-11 11:53:08 from Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>
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2010/2/1 Matteo Beccati <php(at)beccati(dot)com>:
> On 01/02/2010 15:03, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>>
>> 2010/2/1 Matteo Beccati<php(at)beccati(dot)com>:
>>>
>>> My main concern is that we'd need to overcomplicate the thread detection algorithm so that it better deals with delayed messages: as it currently works, the replies to a missing message get linked to the "grand-parent". Injecting the missing message afterwards will put it at the same level as its replies. If it happens only once in a while I guess we can live with it, but definitely not if it happens tens of times a day.
>>
>> That can potentially be a problem.
>>
>> Consider the case where message A it sent. Mesasge B is a response to
>> A, and message C is a response to B. Now assume B is held for
>> moderation (because the poser is not on the list, or because it trips
>> some other thing), then message C will definitely arrive before
>> message B. Is that going to cause problems with this method?
>>
>> Another case where the same thing will happen is if message delivery
>> of B gets for example graylisted, or is just slow from sender B, but
>> gets quickly delivered to the author of message A (because of a direct
>> CC). In this case, the author of message A may respond to it (making
>> message D),and this will again arrive before message B because author
>> A is not graylisted.
>>
>> So the system definitely needs to deal with out-of-order delivery.
>
> Hmm, it looks like I didn't factor in direct CCs when thinking about potential problems with the simplified algorithm. Thanks for raising that.
That is a very common scenario. And even without that, email taking
different time to get delivered to majordomo is not at all uncomoon.
> I'll be out of town for a few days, but I will see what I can do when I get back.
No rush.
--
Magnus Hagander
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