From:
"Kevin Grittner" <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>
To:
"Alvaro Herrera" <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>,
"Tom Lane" <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc:
"Simon Riggs" <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>,
"Noah Misch" <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>,
"Pg Hackers" <pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject:
Re: foreign key locks, 2nd attempt
Date:
2012-02-23 16:31:36
Message-ID:
4F4615880200002500045AB5@gw.wicourts.gov (view raw or flat )
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2011-11-03 18:12:49 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)alvh(dot)no-ip(dot)org>
2011-11-06 07:28:52 from Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv(at)xs4all(dot)nl>
2011-11-10 20:17:59 from Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-11-10 20:21:39 from Pavel Stehule <pavel(dot)stehule(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-11-10 20:29:44 from "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>
2011-11-10 20:38:41 from Christopher Browne <cbbrowne(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-11-11 17:30:18 from David Kerr <dmk(at)mr-paradox(dot)net>
2011-11-12 04:21:10 from Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv(at)xs4all(dot)nl>
2011-11-19 09:21:41 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2011-11-10 19:59:20 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-11-10 21:09:12 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-11-10 21:19:59 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2011-11-11 22:02:00 from Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>
2011-11-19 09:21:51 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2011-11-19 15:36:48 from Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
2011-11-21 17:09:06 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2011-11-21 20:26:55 from Dimitri Fontaine <dimitri(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)fr>
2011-12-04 12:20:27 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2011-12-12 20:20:39 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-12-12 21:03:37 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-12-13 14:44:49 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2011-12-13 16:09:46 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-12-13 16:20:10 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2011-12-13 21:36:21 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2011-12-14 15:21:29 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2011-12-14 15:36:54 from Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
2011-12-16 13:37:16 from Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-23 14:15:45 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-23 15:04:14 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-23 15:12:13 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-23 15:49:02 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-23 15:28:20 from Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
2012-02-23 16:01:33 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-23 16:31:36 from "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>
2012-02-23 17:45:45 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-23 18:44:50 from "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>
2012-02-25 01:06:49 from Vik Reykja <vikreykja(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-02-25 18:06:38 from "Kevin Grittner" <Kevin(dot)Grittner(at)wicourts(dot)gov>
2012-02-23 18:41:21 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-27 02:47:50 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-05 18:28:59 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-05 18:37:53 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-05 19:34:10 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-05 19:53:37 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-05 20:35:15 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-06 19:58:22 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-06 19:39:32 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-06 20:28:12 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-17 23:11:57 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-06 21:10:16 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-06 21:27:51 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-06 21:40:51 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-07 09:24:11 from Gokulakannan Somasundaram <gokul007(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-07 10:02:43 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-07 10:18:26 from Gokulakannan Somasundaram <gokul007(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-07 11:11:06 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-07 11:37:01 from Gokulakannan Somasundaram <gokul007(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-07 12:16:22 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-06 21:33:13 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-17 23:01:51 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-13 17:00:52 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2012-03-13 17:35:02 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-16 03:04:06 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2012-03-16 03:08:29 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2012-03-16 13:36:11 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-16 13:40:01 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-16 18:15:11 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2012-03-17 22:58:41 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-12 17:28:11 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-12 17:50:11 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-12 18:14:33 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-12 19:28:21 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-13 17:46:24 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-14 03:42:26 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-03-14 17:23:14 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-14 22:10:00 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-03-15 01:17:33 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-15 02:26:53 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-15 21:38:53 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-15 21:54:32 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-15 22:04:41 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-15 22:13:45 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-15 22:23:32 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-15 21:46:44 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-15 21:55:05 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-17 22:45:20 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-25 08:17:59 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-04-05 18:50:58 from Peter Geoghegan <peter(at)2ndquadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-15 02:15:22 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-15 21:20:38 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-15 21:07:28 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-03-16 00:37:36 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-16 00:53:05 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-16 01:52:12 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-03-16 03:09:52 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2012-03-16 14:08:07 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-03-16 18:22:05 from Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
2012-03-16 18:49:03 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-03-13 01:24:40 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-03-13 17:09:57 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-02-27 12:13:32 from Heikki Linnakangas <heikki(dot)linnakangas(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>
2012-02-28 00:28:14 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-02-28 07:55:31 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-01-15 04:49:54 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-16 19:17:42 from Heikki Linnakangas <heikki(dot)linnakangas(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>
2012-01-16 19:52:36 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-17 06:21:28 from Heikki Linnakangas <heikki(dot)linnakangas(at)enterprisedb(dot)com>
2012-01-18 20:18:31 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-19 02:11:35 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-01-17 09:56:04 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-01-17 09:39:13 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-01-24 18:47:16 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-26 19:03:02 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-27 23:47:27 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-30 23:48:47 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-01-31 13:17:40 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-01-31 14:19:57 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-31 16:18:30 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-01-31 16:58:21 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-01-31 17:12:10 from Robert Haas <robertmhaas(at)gmail(dot)com>
2012-01-31 23:55:19 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-13 22:16:58 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-22 17:00:07 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-02-23 09:18:57 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-23 13:08:28 from Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv(at)xs4all(dot)nl>
2012-02-23 14:21:39 from Simon Riggs <simon(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-23 21:12:35 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-02-24 09:38:52 from Jeroen Vermeulen <jtv(at)xs4all(dot)nl>
2012-02-23 15:43:11 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-23 17:48:13 from Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-23 18:04:26 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-23 18:30:09 from Greg Smith <greg(at)2ndQuadrant(dot)com>
2012-02-24 04:53:34 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-02-23 21:36:42 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
2012-02-23 23:57:47 from Noah Misch <noah(at)leadboat(dot)com>
2012-02-02 00:33:47 from Jim Nasby <jim(at)nasby(dot)net>
2012-02-02 00:58:42 from Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
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Alvaro Herrera <alvherre(at)commandprompt(dot)com> wrote:
> As for sanity -- I regard multixacts as a way to store extended
> Xmax information. The original idea was obviously much more
> limited in that the extended info was just locking info. We've
> extended it but I don't think it's such a stretch.
Since the limitation on what can be stored in xmax was the killer
for Florian's attempt to support SELECT FOR UPDATE in a form which
was arguably more useful (and certainly more convenient for those
converting from other database products), I'm wondering whether
anyone has determined whether this new scheme would allow Florian's
work to be successfully completed. The issues seem very similar.
If this approach also provides a basis for the other work, I think
it helps bolster the argument that this is a good design; if not, I
think it suggests that maybe it should be made more general or
extensible in some way. Once this has to be supported by pg_upgrade
it will be harder to change the format, if that is needed for some
other feature.
-Kevin
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