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Re: Presenting groups

From: Guillaume Lelarge <guillaume(at)lelarge(dot)info>
To: Jean-Paul Argudo <jean-paul(at)postgresqlfr(dot)org>
Cc: Dave Page <dpage(at)pgadmin(dot)org>, Koen Martens <gmc(at)sonologic(dot)nl>, PostgreSQL EU General <pgsql-eu-general(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Subject: Re: Presenting groups
Date: 2008-07-17 17:14:32
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Hi all,

Jean-Paul Argudo a écrit :
> [...]
>>> Yes, this is just a proposal of "how we may work". The main idea is to
>>> have small teams (from 2 to 6 persons?) working on a precise and
>>> concrete topic.
>> Nice idea, somewhat hard to implement in an Open Source project I suspect.
> 
> I think thats just a question of motivation and time. At PostgreSQLFr,
> we are really few actually doing things, a bit more helping in some
> special events or times. But with this motivation we can do things, and
> we're not such a huge group.
> 
> My idea, with the small groups, is to do things fast. I'd prefer small
> groups going fast and taking sometimes bad decisions and learning from
> it, than a big group taking allways the best decision, but going slowly.
> 

I don't like the "small groups" term as, I think, you should already 
know. I don't think it did anything good for the french PUG. Hmmm, I 
don't think it did anything *at all*. But I already told this on the 
french ML (and/or IRC), I won't do it again.

I would much prefer that we talk about creating different mailings 
lists. One for each or your "small groups". Anyone can subscribe, nobody 
is a chief. We already have four elected official representatives, I 
don't understand why we would need another level of hierarchy.

>>> I imagine the "chief" to change each year. I imagine one person not be
>>> chief of more than one unique group and some mechanism to force
>>> elections when a "chief" is willing to give up or when he's gone or when
>>> he doesn't do anything. :)
>>>
>>> Please understand I'd like to keep it simple, far from bureaucracy. But
>>> this said, we cannot act without some kind of rules.
>> Why not? 
> 
> Because I want PG Eu to be an Open plant, where anyone can come in and
> help, work and/or take responsabilities or let some others down. I think
> some clear and simple rules can apply.
> 

What rules? Not that I'm against any rules but...

> I keep in mind that we are all volunteers here, and that we will help PG
> Eu projects as part-part-part-time occupations. The one giving some
> hours to PG Eu per week may be already an important contributor :-)
> 
> OTOH, I don't want to write things in the marble. We'll modify the rules
> if they aren't good enough.
> 

I would prefer the other way around: add rules if/when we need them.


-- 
Guillaume.
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