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Re: Maybe this will help, maybe it won't

From: "Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To: "Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <ads(at)pgug(dot)de>
Cc: Dave Page <dpage(at)postgresql(dot)org>, pgeu-general(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Maybe this will help, maybe it won't
Date: 2008-01-26 01:11:24
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:34:59 +0100
"Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum" <ads(at)pgug(dot)de> wrote:

> > > Things natually get organised in a hierarchical nature because
> > > it's the only way we can deal with things when there are large
> > > numbers of people involved. You yourself for example were talking
> > > only the other day about having a US parent group for the local
> > > PUGs for example.
> > 
> > Yes but my arguments don't disagree with the above :)
> 
> I think, they do.
> 
> Look, we are talking about an -->European<-- -->User<-- Group. What
> does that mean for me: "users from europe". Maybe even "users in
> europe", but naturally not "users somewhere else which is not europe".
> 

It was implied to me that PGEU was meant to be the European SPI for
PostgreSQL. If that is not the case, then a lot of my arguments are
probably not relevant. If that is the case, I believe my arguments are
valid.

> 
> So the primary question is imho: are we discussion an user group or a 
> PostgreSQL group? If we answer this question, we have the answer what 
> this group will be and who can be a (voting) member of this group.
> 

Agreed.

> > This isn't 1984.. we have jabber (authenticated, encrypted), IRC
> > (can be encrypted and authenticated), SLIC (sp?) (authenticated,
> > encrypted)...
> 
> And? Some things stay local, even if you are connected world-wide.
> In any case: having a network which allows communication all over the 
> world does not answer the question: what kind of group do we want?

My only point is that physical presence isn't required to be useful :).
Anyway I think your points are absolutely essential. Perhaps I am
misinformed to the purpose of the group.

> > Well no as usual it is a very small number of people "representing"
> > the whole ;)... but I have said my piece. I can't argue any farther
> > or further. If you don't agree so be it. I just wanted to try in
> > get it out there in a single note that could be absorbed. There is
> > always the slim chance that I am wrong. :P
> 
> This is not about "right" or "wrong". Your throw-in makes sense, but
> the answer is maybe: we also want a global group.

We have a global group :) that's postgresql.org. Again I have no
problem whatsoever with execution of a PostgreSQL EU. I applaud it and
frankly think it is about time.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

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