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Re: Maia Mailgard down?

From: Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>
To: "Marc G(dot) Fournier" <scrappy(at)postgresql(dot)org>
Cc: Josh Berkus <josh(at)agliodbs(dot)com>, pgsql-www(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject: Re: Maia Mailgard down?
Date: 2006-08-09 02:59:06
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OK, I set it up to forward, but not discard from my mailbox, and I will
use that for training.  Good idea.  Thanks.

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Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> >
> > Because all my momjian(at)postgresql(dot)org email is forwarded to
> > bruce(at)momjian(dot)us, I don't have any way of training the spam filter.  Is
> > there a way I can use a global one?
> 
> MAIA is *before* your mailbox, so, before the filtering ... the mail 
> system essentially goes:
> 
> smtpd -> greylist -> maia -> mailbox -> local store
>                                              or
>                                       -> forward
> 
> so, you can still train the system, just login, go to Settings and set 
> your appropriate settings so that it Quarantines stuff, and then train 
> away ...
> 
> The nice thing about the system is that it doesn't just train/report to 
> the Bayes database, but it reports it to Razor2, Spamcop and Pyzor as 
> well, but, it does it in the background ... the interface just allows you 
> to confirm an email as spam, and a cron job then runs to actually do the 
> appropriate processing of the email(s) ...
> 
> any non-spam that you 'release' is, of course, released instantly back 
> into the system ...
> 
> there are a few things planned for v1.0.2 that will be nice ... like the 
> ability to just auto-discard anything that scores over X (if someone sends 
> me an email taht scores over, say, 20, chances are it isn't something I 
> want to read or ever really see) ...
> 
> 
> 
>   >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Josh Berkus wrote:
> >>
> >>> Folks,
> >>>
> >>> Is there any way we can return to whatever we were using before Maia
> >>> mailgard? Maia is patently NOT working ... it's fundamentally broken in
> >>> some way, and isn't blocking any spam.  The interface for Baysian
> >>> filtering is also awkward and darned near unusable.  In a couple months
> >>> we're going to be trying to do the PostgreSQL 8.2 release which means
> >>> that we need the @postgresql.org e-mail addresses working ... and right
> >>> now they're all receiving a flood of unfiltered spam, making them
> >>> unusable.
> >>
> >> Actually, all MAIA is is a front-end over what we were using before
> >> (amavisd + spamassassin) to allow individual mailboxes to configure
> >> themselves, instead of one big site-wide setting ... I'm getting a
> >> *trickle* of spam right now, but I've spent the past week or so going
> >> through and training the Bayesian database ... in fact, under the old
> >> system, those 46 messages that are currently quarantined in your cache
> >> would have been delivered, instead of quarantined ... in the
> >> @postgresql.org one that I monitor, there are >7k messages currently in
> >> spam-quarantine that normally would have been passed through to the system
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Not sure what you are finding awkward about the interface, but if you go
> >> in and just turn on all the various checks, but *disable* the
> >> quarantining, so that it just label's and passing everything over to you
> >> to filter, you will have exactly the same thing in place that was there
> >> before we added the interface for per-user settings ...
> >>
> >> Please note ... at *no time* did we ever reject spam for any mailbox,
> >> except those for the mailing lists themselves, which majordomo is setup to
> >> do ... so if you are seeing more now then before, its because we are being
> >> hit with more now that are passing through spamassassin ...
> >>
> >> Note that unlike the ~60 messages in the cache for your mailbox right now
> >> (12 unconfirmed non-spam, 46 unconfirmed spam), the stuff that I go
> >> through is right now sitting at ~10k, and I generally spend about a half
> >> hour in the evening going through it ... I generally care about
> >> unconfirmed-spam between 5 and 10, ignoring most above that ... and
> >> unconfirmed non-spam between 0 and 5 ...
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
> >> Email . scrappy(at)hub(dot)org                              MSN . scrappy(at)hub(dot)org
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> >>
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> >
> > --
> >  Bruce Momjian   bruce(at)momjian(dot)us
> >  EnterpriseDB    http://www.enterprisedb.com
> >
> >  + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +
> >
> 
> ----
> Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
> Email . scrappy(at)hub(dot)org                              MSN . scrappy(at)hub(dot)org
> Yahoo . yscrappy               Skype: hub.org        ICQ . 7615664

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