From:
"Joshua D(dot) Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com>
To:
Tom Lane <tgl(at)sss(dot)pgh(dot)pa(dot)us>
Cc:
David Fetter <david(at)fetter(dot)org>, Bruce Momjian <bruce(at)momjian(dot)us>, KaiGai Kohei <kaigai(at)ak(dot)jp(dot)nec(dot)com>, Itagaki Takahiro <itagaki(dot)takahiro(at)oss(dot)ntt(dot)co(dot)jp>, KaiGai Kohei <kaigai(at)kaigai(dot)gr(dot)jp>, pgsql-hackers(at)postgresql(dot)org
Subject:
Re: SE-PgSQL patch review
Date:
2009-12-01 21:21:51
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On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 14:46 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> "Joshua D. Drake" <jd(at)commandprompt(dot)com> writes:
> > On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 20:28 -0800, David Fetter wrote:
> >> This is totally separate from the really important question of whether
> >> SE-Linux has a future, and another about whether, if SE-Linux has a
> >> future, PostgreSQL needs to go there.
>
> > Why would we think that it doesn't?
>
> Have you noticed anyone except Red Hat taking it seriously?
I just did a little research and it appears the other two big names in
this world (Novel and Ubuntu) are using something called App Armor.
>
> I work for Red Hat and have drunk a reasonable amount of the SELinux
> koolaid, but I can't help observing that it's had very limited uptake
> outside Red Hat. It's not clear that there are many people who find
> it a cost-effective solution to their problems. As for the number of
> people prepared to write custom policy for it --- which would be
> required to use it effectively for almost any PG application ---
> I could probably hold a house party for all of them and not break a
> sweat serving drinks.
Your argument certainly holds weight. The only thing I would suggest
outside of that is... it may only be Red Hat but that is a darn big hat
in Linux enterprise space.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
>
> regards, tom lane
>
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